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« Reply #250 on: May 09, 2014, 04:44:59 PM »

Looks like I'll be voting Liberal again. I really don't want to (especially because my vote will be going directly to Charles Sousa, the architect of that horrible budget), but you don't create jobs by cutting 100,000 people from the workforce and slashing funding for vital projects that spur economic growth in the private sector.

Gah.

Build me an LRT in Mississauga and I'll be happy.
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« Reply #251 on: May 09, 2014, 05:00:23 PM »


I find it very amusing when people say that Blair embraced Thatcherism. I mean, its almost like saying the Conservatives governments of the 1950's and early 60's embraced the policies of Clement Attlee. Both simply... adapted to the changed political climate, which meant accepting some of what had gone before as, at that moment in time, irreversible. Not to mention that I doubt Thatcher was much of a fan of a lot of the policies that Blair pursued whilst in office.
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« Reply #252 on: May 09, 2014, 05:36:13 PM »


... Not to mention that I doubt Thatcher was much of a fan of a lot of the policies that Blair pursued whilst in office.

Didn't Thatcher call Blairism her finest achievement?
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« Reply #253 on: May 09, 2014, 06:08:27 PM »

New poll by Ipsos:

PC 37% (unchanged)
Liberals 31% (down 1)
NDP 28% (up 1)

72% say its time for a change and Wynne is now running THIRD as best premier
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« Reply #254 on: May 09, 2014, 06:09:59 PM »

Looks like I'll be voting Liberal again. I really don't want to (especially because my vote will be going directly to Charles Sousa, the architect of that horrible budget), but you don't create jobs by cutting 100,000 people from the workforce and slashing funding for vital projects that spur economic growth in the private sector.

Gah.

Build me an LRT in Mississauga and I'll be happy.

Good man. Hudak is a lunatic.
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« Reply #255 on: May 09, 2014, 06:12:47 PM »
« Edited: May 09, 2014, 06:43:47 PM by RogueBeaver »

New Ipsos poll: 37/31/28 EV, 42/28/27 among the likeliest voters. Some MOE movement in 905, NDP gobbling up Grit votes in SW, Tories expand their E lead. Very similar to the last poll. LV numbers translate to Tory majority and perhaps NDP Opposition. Hudak also leads PPM at 34% to Horwath's 29% and Wynne's 28%.
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« Reply #256 on: May 09, 2014, 06:13:28 PM »

Looks like I'll be voting Liberal again. I really don't want to (especially because my vote will be going directly to Charles Sousa, the architect of that horrible budget), but you don't create jobs by cutting 100,000 people from the workforce and slashing funding for vital projects that spur economic growth in the private sector.

Gah.

Build me an LRT in Mississauga and I'll be happy.

Good man. Hudak is a lunatic.

I guess that's kind of what I say to myself when I need reassurance. For the good of the party, the PCs must lose so that they can oust Hudak and get back on the right track.

I miss John Tory.
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« Reply #257 on: May 09, 2014, 06:16:17 PM »

New Ipsos poll: 37/31/27 EV, 42/28/27 among the likeliest voters. Some MOE movement in 905, NDP gobbling up Grit votes in SW, Tories expand their E lead. Very similar to the last poll. LV numbers translate to Tory majority and perhaps NDP Opposition. Hudak also leads PPM at 34% to Horwath's 29% and Wynne's 28%.

Yeah, this'll budge the threehundredeight projection pretty soundly, I think.
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« Reply #258 on: May 09, 2014, 06:27:50 PM »


You and no one else.
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« Reply #259 on: May 09, 2014, 06:39:20 PM »

New Ipsos poll: 37/31/27 EV, 42/28/27 among the likeliest voters. Some MOE movement in 905, NDP gobbling up Grit votes in SW, Tories expand their E lead. Very similar to the last poll. LV numbers translate to Tory majority and perhaps NDP Opposition. Hudak also leads PPM at 34% to Horwath's 29% and Wynne's 28%.

The NDP is at 28% in that poll, not 27%.

I'll believe it when other pollsters show the NDP there.
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« Reply #260 on: May 09, 2014, 06:43:36 PM »

Will fix. But Ipsos is one of the best. Tongue Wonder when Nanos or Angus-Reid will take a look.
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« Reply #261 on: May 09, 2014, 07:47:39 PM »

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The NDP is at 28% in that poll, not 27%.

I'll believe it when other pollsters show the NDP there.

Wasn't the NDP at 29% with Ekos just a few weeks ago? And Oracle polled by phone and released a poll last nighht that had the NDP at 25% whcih is not that far from 28%
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« Reply #262 on: May 09, 2014, 07:59:42 PM »

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The NDP is at 28% in that poll, not 27%.

I'll believe it when other pollsters show the NDP there.

Wasn't the NDP at 29% with Ekos just a few weeks ago? And Oracle polled by phone and released a poll last nighht that had the NDP at 25% whcih is not that far from 28%

We did have the NDP at 29, but as you will recall, our last poll had the NDP at 22%.
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« Reply #263 on: May 09, 2014, 08:03:29 PM »

Anyone know what Ipsos uses as their region definitions?
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« Reply #264 on: May 09, 2014, 08:03:53 PM »

Yes well what goes up can come down and what goes down can come up again!
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« Reply #265 on: May 09, 2014, 09:27:25 PM »

Anyone know what Ipsos uses as their region definitions?

I emailed the vice president. He replied that 'Sam will tell you' which I presume will happen in a business day or two
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« Reply #266 on: May 09, 2014, 09:33:09 PM »

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The NDP is at 28% in that poll, not 27%.

I'll believe it when other pollsters show the NDP there.

Wasn't the NDP at 29% with Ekos just a few weeks ago? And Oracle polled by phone and released a poll last nighht that had the NDP at 25% whcih is not that far from 28%

We did have the NDP at 29, but as you will recall, our last poll had the NDP at 22%.
Orange Crush II: Provincial edition, perhaps?
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« Reply #267 on: May 09, 2014, 09:45:27 PM »

Ontario had Orange Crush and Crush Orange already. Wink I'd be quite happy if the NDP was Opposition.
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« Reply #268 on: May 10, 2014, 03:23:04 AM »


I'd take Ernie Eves, too. Anything's better than the Harris/Hudak wing.
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« Reply #269 on: May 10, 2014, 04:52:03 AM »

I always felt bad for Eves. He was stuck with Harris' mess and doomed since the day he was elected as PC leader.
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« Reply #270 on: May 10, 2014, 08:01:42 AM »

I always felt bad for Eves. He was stuck with Harris' mess and doomed since the day he was elected as PC leader.

Does that make Kathleen Wynne the Liberal version of Ernie Eves?
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« Reply #271 on: May 10, 2014, 08:10:42 AM »


I'd take Ernie Eves, too. Anything's better than the Harris/Hudak wing.

Both are epic political failures. John Tory is like our version of Mitt Romney.  Sure they're politically better than Bush/Harris, but they're incapable of appealing to the centre or the right.
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« Reply #272 on: May 10, 2014, 09:26:04 AM »

New Grit anti-NDP attack ad: Horwath voted against the budget. I must admit seeing Grits run to Dippers' left is rather amusing.
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« Reply #273 on: May 10, 2014, 09:31:12 AM »


I suppose they think that what appeals to downtown Toronto voters will appeal to the rest of the province?
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« Reply #274 on: May 10, 2014, 10:22:34 AM »

Just for reference...

Seats

2011: Lib 53, PC 37, NDP 17
2007: Lib 71, PC 26, NDP 10
2003: Lib 72, PC 24, NDP 7
1999: PC 59, Lib 35, NDP 9
1995: PC 82, Lib 30, NDP 17, Ind 1
1990: NDP 74, Lib 36, PC 20
1987: Lib 95, NDP 19, PC 16
1985: PC 52, Lib 48, NDP 25
1981: PC 70, Lib 34, NDP 21
1977: PC 58, Lib 34, NDP 33
1975: PC 51, NDP 38, Lib 36
1971: PC 78, Lib 20, NDP 19
1967: PC 69, Lib 28, NDP 20
1963: PC 77, Lib 24, NDP 7


Votes

2011: Lib 37.6, PC 35.4, NDP 22.7, Green 2.9
2007: Lib 42.2, PC 31.6, NDP 16.8, Green 8.0
2003: Lib 46.4, PC 34.6, NDP 14.7, Green 2.8
1999: PC 45.1, Lib 39.9, NDP 12.6
1995: PC 44.8, Lib 31.1, NDP 20.6, FC 1.5
1990: NDP 37.6, Lib 32.4, PC 23.5, FC 2.7, CoR 1.9
1987: Lib 47.3, NDP 25.7, PC 24.7, FC 1.3
1985: Lib 37.9, PC 37.0, NDP 23.8
1981: PC 44.4, Lib 33.7, NDP 21.1
1977: PC 39.7, Lib 31.4, NDP 28.0
1975: PC 36.1, Lib 34.3, NDP 28.9
1971: PC 44.5, Lib 27.8, NDP 27.1
1967: PC 42.3, Lib 31.6, NDP 25.9
1963: PC 48.9, Lib 35.3, NDP 15.5
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