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« on: April 10, 2014, 03:55:11 PM »

What is the deal with the hype about Hillary?  She's a war hawk who supports the NSA destroying our privacy.  That's the kind of thing that turns off independents.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2014, 04:04:44 PM »

Not all Independents are dove-y civil libertarians, and considering Hillary's leading all opponents by considerable margins (Yeah, the numbers will die down in 2016, but still), she's the Democrats' best hope.

Not all, but the majority.  Every day the American public turns to what both parties' establishments refer to as "dangerous isolationism."

But anyway, why is she so popular in the first place?  Is it because she's Bill's wife?  What did she accomplish in the Senate?
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2014, 04:11:06 PM »

She has been shown to crush many Republican candidates in 2016, and the 2016 Republican field is crap, though if she doesn't run, then it's wide open.

I've seen the polling, and I don't understand why people love her.  Could you please help me out?
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2014, 04:23:40 PM »

@ Kalwejt, doesn't surprise me.

Because a lot of people want a woman President (Me included), and she has managed to avoid any Gaffes that could destroy her reputation, and she's fairly within the mainstream.

Can you think of a better reason to vote for Hillary than because she'd be the first woman President?
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2014, 04:45:37 PM »

She was a rubber stamp for Bush administration foreign policy and tried to ban violent video games or something. That's about it.

And I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the average Democrat (or Republican or Independent) does't know that. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2014, 07:47:50 PM »

As opposed to Ted Cruz or Elizabeth Warren?

Ted Cruz had the whole government shutdown/filibuster thing in his first year as Senator.  Though I think it was a publicity stunt, it was certainly grabbed people's attention (and thus he succeeded in his goal).  Elizabeth Warren at least challenges the Democratic establishment on some issues.

But those two aren't nearly as popular as Clinton.  What's so great about Clinton, where is the substance?  Does she represent a new way of governing?  What would she bring to Washington?  What has she accomplished besides being a war hawk and supporting the PATRIOT Act?
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 10:03:07 PM »

My point is that the same people who criticize Hillary about her "lack of accomplishments in the Senate" are the same people that support Cruz or Warren, or even worse, complete jokes like Ben Carson or Dennis Kucinich.

Carson, while I don't think is Presidential material, has made many great medical accomplishments and is independent-thinking in his politics.  Dennis Kucinich I respect because he was consistent, opposing both Bush and Obama in foreign policy.

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Experience, I guess she has that.  But what did she do in her political career that's so great?

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George Bush was a terrible President, I wholeheartedly agree with you.  There actually aren't that many Republican politicians I like.  The only reason I registered as a Republican is because of people like Ron and Rand Paul.  And I'll criticize unnecessary wars and government surveillance regardless of which party is doing it.

I'm honestly worried that Clinton is going to go into the White House, start another war, and expand government surveillance.  I'm so sick of politicians wanting to intervene in every conflict around the world.  And then everyone who doesn't agree is an "isolationist."
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2014, 12:38:49 PM »

I'm unlikely to vote for Hillary Clinton, but I can appreciate her appeal.

1. She would be the first female President, representing a milestone many in the country believe to be significant.

Yeah, but there are other female Democrats who could run.

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A career politician, I guess that appeals to some people.

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Experience is good, but what did she accomplish?  Hillary fans can't come up with any good accomplishments.

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Well, Hillary was supportive of those Middle East Wars and doesn't seem to have changed her positions.  But yeah, I guess the best thing going for her is her husband.  But then again, younger voters don't remember the Clinton Presidency.
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