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« on: April 10, 2014, 11:11:10 AM »
« edited: April 29, 2014, 09:45:33 AM by Kevin »

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/203161-king-may-flip-to-gop-in-2015

Sen. Angus King(I-ME) may caucus with Senate Republicans if the GOP manages to take back the upper chamber in 2014. as "he feels that he can best represent his state" by siding with the majority party.

It will be very interesting to see what King actually does should the GOP win control in November 2014.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2014, 11:12:18 AM »

Well at least he's open about it... doesn't seem so slimy.
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2014, 11:39:57 AM »

That's what runoffs are for, should the Senate be deadlocked, in La or Ga. Either 49-50 or 50/50. We don't anticipate losing both.
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2014, 02:21:50 PM »

He has said this from the beginning, which is part of the reason I like King. He is open about his desire to be a Senator, and nothing more. I'm a huge fan of his for that reason.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2014, 02:31:27 PM »

He won't. Ideologically he's a Dem in all but name.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2014, 02:34:24 PM »

I wonder what he'd do if the GOP won 50 seats and control of the senate came down to him
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 02:38:42 PM »

I wonder what he'd do if the GOP won 50 seats and control of the senate came down to him
I'd see him staying with the Democrats in that case because it is basically assured they will be the majority party after 2016, and switching back and forth just looks flaky.
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 03:34:22 PM »

I wonder what he'd do if the GOP won 50 seats and control of the senate came down to him
I'd see him staying with the Democrats in that case because it is basically assured they will be the majority party after 2016, and switching back and forth just looks flaky.

I tend to think he would only flip if the GOP did well enough to be favored to hold on in 2016.  That would probably take at least 53 seats.  However, he could semi-legitimately claim that it is always "in the best interests of Maine" for him to caucus with the majority party.  So I could actually see him switch in 2015 and then back in 2017 on that rationale.  If he is the deciding vote, I expect him to push for coalition control, probably with help from Collins and Manchin.
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 03:38:34 PM »

King seems genuine about this. However, I'm sure he would stay with the Dems, considering he probably wouldn't vote with the GOP so much, and as a result, they wouldn't give him important committeeship.
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 03:38:59 PM »

I tend to doubt it, but it could be an extra boost of hope for the GOP. I have a lot of respect for King being open minded and not caring what the Washington elite think of him.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 03:53:46 PM »

King seems genuine about this. However, I'm sure he would stay with the Dems, considering he probably wouldn't vote with the GOP so much, and as a result, they wouldn't give him important committeeship.

I don't think the GOP would care if he voted with them so much. However they'd want him to vote with them on cloture and other procedural matters.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2014, 05:51:15 PM »

That's what runoffs are for, should the Senate be deadlocked, in La or Ga. Either 49-50 or 50/50. We don't anticipate losing both.

Really? That's strange, since historically in Southern runoffs minority and young turnout has dropped off significantly -- especially in Georgia (less so the case in Louisiana). In both races, most likely if it goes to the runoff the Republican has won.

As for the topic of the thread, I'm confident that if it's January 2015 and the Senate is deadlocked, King will side with the Democrats -- while the potential for gains is overstated, 2016 is likelier to see Democratic than Republican gains in the Senate, and King wouldn't want to upset the likelier future majority party (that and he's ideologically a good deal closer to the Democrats anyway).
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2014, 06:00:49 PM »

See Susan Hyke Terrell, of 2002. Granted it was a GOP midterm, it was a 911 election. But hopefully we don't see that in La, gaffes of McAllister or Cassidy will help by Election Day, Landrieu achieves 50 percent.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2014, 06:23:01 PM »

See Susan Hyke Terrell, of 2002.

In 2000, more seniors voted for Gore than Bush. The fundamentals were different at that time.

Granted it was a GOP midterm, it was a 911 election. But hopefully we don't see that in La, gaffes of McAllister or Cassidy will help by Election Day, Landrieu achieves 50 percent.

Considering the state Republican party is already denouncing him and it's months before the election, I don't think McAllister will be much of a problem for Cassidy. Cassidy's gaffes as yet don't seem to be hurting him, and you can't really rely on future errors. The runoff system is the Democrats' main Louisiana problem in 2014.
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2014, 06:53:11 PM »

I'd be happy to have him, but isn't he ultra-liberal?
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2014, 06:57:45 PM »

I'd be happy to have him, but isn't he ultra-liberal?

The point is having his vote on procedural matters and such.
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2014, 07:44:31 PM »

I'd be happy to have him, but isn't he ultra-liberal?

The point is having his vote on procedural matters and such.

Procedural matters are just that - procedural. Whatever party is carrying out the procedures usually doesn't matter. That's why if you're a GOP House incumbent getting primaried, your opponent might say something like, "John Smith voted with Nancy Pelosi more than half the time! ERMAHGERD!!!" which is technically true because of how many procedural votes are basically parliamentary office work.

Do you really think Angus King is going to vote for a Senate version of the Ryan Budget? Do you really think he'd be the 41st vote to sustain a GOP filibuster of some obscure agency nominee because the fundie Republicans can't stomach confirming a pro-choice individual to be the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Fisheries and Maritime Navigation?
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2014, 07:45:38 PM »

Does it really matter? His vote will only be relevant in a 50/50 split, in which case he'd stay with the Dems anyway.
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2014, 01:08:51 AM »

I'd be happy to have him, but isn't he ultra-liberal?

Socially, I'd say so. Fiscally he's fairly moderate. Reminds me a lot of Jim Jeffords.
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2014, 01:49:57 AM »

I'd be happy to have him, but isn't he ultra-liberal?
I was always under the impression he was center-left.

Nothing against "ultra-liberalism", whatever that means (I assume progressive), or even having a big tent, but what exactly is the point of having a party if there is no common ideological ground? Not that King is an "ultra-liberal", but what if he was. What if he was more like Sherrod Brown, why would you be happy to have him in the GOP?
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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2014, 05:31:02 AM »

I'd be happy to have him, but isn't he ultra-liberal?
If Chris Coons is, then King is too
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2014, 05:59:15 AM »

It's probably just bluster to get himself some swanky Committee assignments from Reid. He'd stick out like a sore thumb in the GOP caucus.
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2014, 08:59:04 AM »

I'd be happy to have him, but isn't he ultra-liberal?

Socially, I'd say so. Fiscally he's fairly moderate. Reminds me a lot of Jim Jeffords.
Yeah, and didn't he caucus as a Democrat after becoming and Indy?
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2014, 10:14:20 AM »

Interesting. It may seem like opportunism, but anything King does will turn to gold to Mainers.
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2014, 03:12:52 PM »

I'd be happy to have him, but isn't he ultra-liberal?

Socially, I'd say so. Fiscally he's fairly moderate. Reminds me a lot of Jim Jeffords.
Yeah, and didn't he caucus as a Democrat after becoming and Indy?

Yeah, but from your stance, would you rather have someone who will caucus with you when you have the majority or a progressive?

Because the only Republican who has a remote chance is focusing on Michaud's seat, and he's not as skilled as Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins.
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