SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Cincy, don't forget my rather small amendment on the previous page.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

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What in the blazes? You've gone and taken the teeth out!

I don't really think that punishing districts and teachers for not following our druthers is what Federal education policy should be about. But if you do, what punishment do you recommend?   

[President Tyrion]

I object to shua's amendment.

If we want to school districts from certain forms of litigation, let's be extremely specific.

[Cincinnatus]

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Feedback: Origination
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

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What in the blazes? You've gone and taken the teeth out!

I don't really think that punishing districts and teachers for not following our druthers is what Federal education policy should be about. But if you do, what punishment do you recommend?   

I'm not that up on education policy/school incentives, but I do think there should be punishments for schools failing to provide lunch (although I don't think a one-size-fits-all approach would work). Perhaps the regions or states or other such lower tier of government would be the carriers out of punishment?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

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What in the blazes? You've gone and taken the teeth out!

I don't really think that punishing districts and teachers for not following our druthers is what Federal education policy should be about. But if you do, what punishment do you recommend?   

I'm not that up on education policy/school incentives, but I do think there should be punishments for schools failing to provide lunch (although I don't think a one-size-fits-all approach would work). Perhaps the regions or states or other such lower tier of government would be the carriers out of punishment?

Regions carry out regional law, not federal law.  And that is where for the most part school policy  should stay.   If we want students to be provided with lunches, we can fund it.  In fact we do under the 2007 Education Reform Act (one of the few worthwhile aspects of that law).  On the whole, regions have traditionally provided the majority of funding for education.  Unless we are going to spend the dough to change that equation, and be responsible to our constituents for that money, we have no business dictating to the regions how to run every aspect of the schools.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

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What in the blazes? You've gone and taken the teeth out!

I don't really think that punishing districts and teachers for not following our druthers is what Federal education policy should be about. But if you do, what punishment do you recommend?   

I'm not that up on education policy/school incentives, but I do think there should be punishments for schools failing to provide lunch (although I don't think a one-size-fits-all approach would work). Perhaps the regions or states or other such lower tier of government would be the carriers out of punishment?

Regions carry out regional law, not federal law.  And that is where for the most part school policy  should stay.   If we want students to be provided with lunches, we can fund it.  In fact we do under the 2007 Education Reform Act (one of the few worthwhile aspects of that law).  On the whole, regions have traditionally provided the majority of funding for education.  Unless we are going to spend the dough to change that equation, and be responsible to our constituents for that money, we have no business dictating to the regions how to run every aspect of the schools.

Now, this is what's called a strawman, Senator. I don't want the federal government to run "every aspect of the schools", I just don't think it's unreasonable to expect all schools nationwide to cover mental health care and guidance counselors.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

When you add this law to all the laws the Senate has already passed on education, it becomes clear that there is no limit to what the Federal Government is willing to do to limit regional and local control over educational policy.  All in all this is just another brick in the wall.

[Cincinnatus]

When you add this law to all the laws the Senate has already passed on education, it becomes clear that there is no limit to what the Federal Government is willing to do to limit regional and local control over educational policy.  All in all this is just another brick in the wall.

Are you saying we don't need no education?  no dark sarcasm? 

[bore]

When you add this law to all the laws the Senate has already passed on education, it becomes clear that there is no limit to what the Federal Government is willing to do to limit regional and local control over educational policy.  All in all this is just another brick in the wall.

Are you saying we don't need no education?  no dark sarcasm? 

I think shua feels that the federal government should leave them kids alone.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When you add this law to all the laws the Senate has already passed on education, it becomes clear that there is no limit to what the Federal Government is willing to do to limit regional and local control over educational policy.  All in all this is just another brick in the wall.

Are you saying we don't need no education?  no dark sarcasm? 

I think shua feels that the federal government should leave them kids alone.

Ya Kint Have Iny Pudding If Ya Dant Eat Yer Meat!!!

Just thought I'd pass it along.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When you add this law to all the laws the Senate has already passed on education, it becomes clear that there is no limit to what the Federal Government is willing to do to limit regional and local control over educational policy.  All in all this is just another brick in the wall.

At a minimum, it would make sense to review the existing federal education mandates to assess whether they are redundant or in conflict with the contents of this proposal.

That would be the smart play considering what we went through last year. Everyone wants to do something abotu education, but nearly everyone gets in a lather about how to approach it.


BUT IF YER PLACE YER GROPER NASTIES ON SIMFAN AND MINE's GET ACT, YA GIT ANOTHER THING COMING LADDIES!!!!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Did my crap impersonation destroy the debate in here or something?

[TNF]

What's the current text on this look like?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

We still have a couple amendments that haven't been processed, btw.

[Cincinnatus]

Without Objection, Amendment 60:75 has been adopted.

[Cincinnatus]

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Feedback: Unknown
Status:  Objection filed by Senator Tyrion.  A vote is now open on the aforementioned amendment.  Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[bore]

Nay

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

AYE

[Goldwater]

AYE

[President Tyrion]

Nay

[DC Al Fine]

Aye

[TNF]

Nay

[Lumine]

Nay.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

Certainly, at the very least, conditions could be attached to the monies given and carry some weight with those conditions.