SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating)

[Lumine]

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I'm not offering a formal amendment yet, I want to see reactions. I kinda butchered Section III with this, but I feel we should vote on this as soon as we can.

[President Tyrion]

I think we should emphasize that the computers in question are student-usable infrastructure.

[Deus Naturae]

Where are you guys getting the money to do this?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don't think we should be specific about Windows XP.  Some schools use Macs.

[President Tyrion]

Where are you guys getting the money to do this?

Our limitless coffers

[Lumine]

I don't think we should be specific about Windows XP.  Some schools use Macs.

Indeed. I honestly don't want to lose more time on this as I feel it's time to get this passed, so do you have any suggestions regarding the right language, Shua? I'm out of ideas here...

Where are you guys getting the money to do this?

Think of it as an investment, Deus. It's not the most responsible bill out there, but we've been working in reducing costs and this should bring benefits in the long term that we should not ignore just because it's an expensive investment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

2008 or newer release OS? (SP3 of Win XP was 2008 and plain XP and XP SP 1 were crap).

[Deus Naturae]

I don't think we should be specific about Windows XP.  Some schools use Macs.

Indeed. I honestly don't want to lose more time on this as I feel it's time to get this passed, so do you have any suggestions regarding the right language, Shua? I'm out of ideas here...

Where are you guys getting the money to do this?

Think of it as an investment, Deus. It's not the most responsible bill out there, but we've been working in reducing costs and this should bring benefits in the long term that we should not ignore just because it's an expensive investment.

I'm not saying it isn't a good investment, but you can't invest money you don't have...

[Sec. of State Superique]

I don't think we should be specific about Windows XP.  Some schools use Macs.

Indeed. I honestly don't want to lose more time on this as I feel it's time to get this passed, so do you have any suggestions regarding the right language, Shua? I'm out of ideas here...

Where are you guys getting the money to do this?

Think of it as an investment, Deus. It's not the most responsible bill out there, but we've been working in reducing costs and this should bring benefits in the long term that we should not ignore just because it's an expensive investment.

I'm not saying it isn't a good investment, but you can't invest money you don't have...

Off course you can, although that will break your Libertarian principles. The things is that Governments can run deficits and still have a solid fiscal policy. We shall not always be thinking in the short term and sometimes it's necessary to borrow money via Treasury Bond. As long as we properly control our finances, as long as we don't go mad and spend without any control and as long as we have a sustainable path to bring better budgetary balance on the long run, there shall not be any problem on spending money that we currently not have.

[President Tyrion]

I don't think we should be specific about Windows XP.  Some schools use Macs.

Indeed. I honestly don't want to lose more time on this as I feel it's time to get this passed, so do you have any suggestions regarding the right language, Shua? I'm out of ideas here...

Where are you guys getting the money to do this?

Think of it as an investment, Deus. It's not the most responsible bill out there, but we've been working in reducing costs and this should bring benefits in the long term that we should not ignore just because it's an expensive investment.

I'm not saying it isn't a good investment, but you can't invest money you don't have...

Countries don't run on household budgets.

[Deus Naturae]

I don't think we should be specific about Windows XP.  Some schools use Macs.

Indeed. I honestly don't want to lose more time on this as I feel it's time to get this passed, so do you have any suggestions regarding the right language, Shua? I'm out of ideas here...

Where are you guys getting the money to do this?

Think of it as an investment, Deus. It's not the most responsible bill out there, but we've been working in reducing costs and this should bring benefits in the long term that we should not ignore just because it's an expensive investment.

I'm not saying it isn't a good investment, but you can't invest money you don't have...

Countries don't run on household budgets.

I realize that and I never implied that they did. Countries spend money that they receive from taxpayers and creditors. Since we don't have any taxpayer money to spend, the money needs to come from creditors. However, this bill doesn't say anything about that. You need to clarify the source of this money if you want this bill to make sense and not screw up future budget processes.

[Deus Naturae]

I don't think we should be specific about Windows XP.  Some schools use Macs.

Indeed. I honestly don't want to lose more time on this as I feel it's time to get this passed, so do you have any suggestions regarding the right language, Shua? I'm out of ideas here...

Where are you guys getting the money to do this?

Think of it as an investment, Deus. It's not the most responsible bill out there, but we've been working in reducing costs and this should bring benefits in the long term that we should not ignore just because it's an expensive investment.

I'm not saying it isn't a good investment, but you can't invest money you don't have...

Off course you can, although that will break your Libertarian principles. The things is that Governments can run deficits and still have a solid fiscal policy. We shall not always be thinking in the short term and sometimes it's necessary to borrow money via Treasury Bond. As long as we properly control our finances, as long as we don't go mad and spend without any control and as long as we have a sustainable path to bring better budgetary balance on the long run, there shall not be any problem on spending money that we currently not have.

This bill says nothing about Treasury bonds...

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Still arguing the finer points of wifi and technology, it seems. To think Scott and I had at least 2 more parts to our education reform. They'll never see the light of day now.

This debate certainly isn't going in the direction I thought it would, but I'll have to take some responsibility for that...

[President Tyrion]

I don't think we should be specific about Windows XP.  Some schools use Macs.

Indeed. I honestly don't want to lose more time on this as I feel it's time to get this passed, so do you have any suggestions regarding the right language, Shua? I'm out of ideas here...

Where are you guys getting the money to do this?

Think of it as an investment, Deus. It's not the most responsible bill out there, but we've been working in reducing costs and this should bring benefits in the long term that we should not ignore just because it's an expensive investment.

I'm not saying it isn't a good investment, but you can't invest money you don't have...

Countries don't run on household budgets.

I realize that and I never implied that they did. Countries spend money that they receive from taxpayers and creditors. Since we don't have any taxpayer money to spend, the money needs to come from creditors. However, this bill doesn't say anything about that. You need to clarify the source of this money if you want this bill to make sense and not screw up future budget processes.

What's the upside to that? We know we have the credit for it. It's just more work for the legislators otherwise.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

2008 or newer release OS? (SP3 of Win XP was 2008 and plain XP and XP SP 1 were crap).

Maybe this, if the emphasis is going to be on computer operating systems.   On the other hand we could leave it more open ended on what the schools will get, so long as we are clear about the purpose of the grant, but the cost on this may be harder to determine and/or much higher.  If every school qualifies for the maximum amount, with very roughly 100,000 public schools in the country x $50,000 =  about $5 billion.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Still arguing the finer points of wifi and technology, it seems. To think Scott and I had at least 2 more parts to our education reform. They'll never see the light of day now.

This debate certainly isn't going in the direction I thought it would, but I'll have to take some responsibility for that...

No, it's not your fault. I'm just sad our plans will never see the light of day, at least for the rest of my time in office. And it's sad. We had such plans.

[sentinel]

Ya'll are stuck in the mud on specifics. Windows XP? Mac? Just let school districts decide and let an Inspector General/Attorney General prosecute/fine them if they determine that the bill was implemented in a (for a sudden lack of a better word) improper or bad way.

This bill needs to keep moving forward. Don't forget the goal here, to make education better!

[TNF]

I object to that proposed amendment, if there's still time to do that.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Unless I am mistaken there are no amendments presently before this.

[sentinel]

Unless I am mistaken there are no amendments presently before this.

TNF opposes imaginary amendment. No sopresa

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

What is the hold up with this now? I just wanted to be able to sign this before I left office, but I don't think I'll be able to now. At least Scott and I have our names on it...

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

[Lumine]

What is the hold up with this now? I just wanted to be able to sign this before I left office, but I don't think I'll be able to now. At least Scott and I have our names on it...

Problems with the language in Section III, so here goes my last proposal:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are you offering that at this time?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

All I wanted to do was set some minimum standards and expand technology in our public schools. Scott and I felt this would be the easiest part of our reform. The next two parts did deal with giving regions more control over their fate and also increase the standards for teachers.

OH WELL. It was a good run.