NH close to becoming 19th state to abolish the death penalty

[free my dawg]

The vote has failed, 12-12. Senators Sam Cataldo and Bob Odell voted for repeal with the Democrats, and Lou D'Allessandro crossed to vote against repeal. There is no tiebreaker in the NH Senate, so the bill is dead.

I'm more concerned about the Senate President refusing to bring the decriminalization bill to the floor myself.

[free my dawg]

The vote has failed, 12-12. Senators Sam Cataldo and Bob Odell voted for repeal with the Democrats, and Lou D'Allessandro crossed to vote against repeal. There is no tiebreaker in the NH Senate, so the bill is dead.

I'm more concerned about the Senate President refusing to bring the decriminalization bill to the floor myself.

Right, because decriminalizing marijuana is clearly more important than making sure people who are wrongly convicted don't get executed for crimes they didn't commit

Okay, you have absolutely no room to condescend to me. I'm pretty sure I know how my state works better than you.

Ernest explained most of it already, but the death penalty is all but repealed here in NH. Texas has executed more people this year than we have in the 20th century.

[free my dawg]

The vote has failed, 12-12. Senators Sam Cataldo and Bob Odell voted for repeal with the Democrats, and Lou D'Allessandro crossed to vote against repeal. There is no tiebreaker in the NH Senate, so the bill is dead.

I'm more concerned about the Senate President refusing to bring the decriminalization bill to the floor myself.

Right, because decriminalizing marijuana is clearly more important than making sure people who are wrongly convicted don't get executed for crimes they didn't commit

Okay, you have absolutely no room to condescend to me. I'm pretty sure I know how my state works better than you.

Ernest explained most of it already, but the death penalty is all but repealed here in NH. Texas has executed more people this year than we have in the 20th century.

You're comparying New Hampshire to Texas, you know the state which has executed a handicaped recently. It's like saying "Franco wasn't that bad because he killed much less people than Hitler".

Still a good comparison. The last execution happened in 1939, so it's not even like it's that recent.

[free my dawg]

The vote has failed, 12-12. Senators Sam Cataldo and Bob Odell voted for repeal with the Democrats, and Lou D'Allessandro crossed to vote against repeal. There is no tiebreaker in the NH Senate, so the bill is dead.

I'm more concerned about the Senate President refusing to bring the decriminalization bill to the floor myself.

Right, because decriminalizing marijuana is clearly more important than making sure people who are wrongly convicted don't get executed for crimes they didn't commit

Okay, you have absolutely no room to condescend to me. I'm pretty sure I know how my state works better than you.

Ernest explained most of it already, but the death penalty is all but repealed here in NH. Texas has executed more people this year than we have in the 20th century.

You're comparing New Hampshire to Texas, you know the state which has executed a handicapped recently. It's like saying "Franco wasn't that bad because he killed much less people than Hitler".

Your argument wasn't that it was bad for states to execute people, but that it was wrong for states to wrongfully execute people.  There's absolutely no evidence that New Hampshire will be doing that anytime soon even if it doesn't abolish its limited death penalty statute.

Regardless, the right to life is the most fundemental civil right. To think that it's more important to legalise a drug than potentially saving lives is beyond callous.

The bill wouldn't have nullified the sentence of the one guy on death row. There are no lives to be saved. The death penalty is irrelevant in the state of New Hampshire. Is it that hard to understand?

Actually, I'd argue that keeping marijuana criminalized destroys more lives in the state than the death penalty.

[free my dawg]

The vote has failed, 12-12. Senators Sam Cataldo and Bob Odell voted for repeal with the Democrats, and Lou D'Allessandro crossed to vote against repeal. There is no tiebreaker in the NH Senate, so the bill is dead.

I'm more concerned about the Senate President refusing to bring the decriminalization bill to the floor myself.

Upsetting.

To make things worse for future repeal, one of the two Republicans who voted it down is retiring.

[free my dawg]

The vote has failed, 12-12. Senators Sam Cataldo and Bob Odell voted for repeal with the Democrats, and Lou D'Allessandro crossed to vote against repeal. There is no tiebreaker in the NH Senate, so the bill is dead.

I'm more concerned about the Senate President refusing to bring the decriminalization bill to the floor myself.

Upsetting.

To make things worse for future repeal, one of the two Republicans who voted it down is retiring.

Oh so it was a 'I can probably get away with it' vote. *grumbles*

Not necessarily. Odell has been very socially moderate over his tenure - he's so firmly pro-choice that he earned NARAL's endorsement, and he may very well have evolved on marriage (like another State Senator) as well.

[free my dawg]

The vote has failed, 12-12. Senators Sam Cataldo and Bob Odell voted for repeal with the Democrats, and Lou D'Allessandro crossed to vote against repeal. There is no tiebreaker in the NH Senate, so the bill is dead.

I'm more concerned about the Senate President refusing to bring the decriminalization bill to the floor myself.

Right, because decriminalizing marijuana is clearly more important than making sure people who are wrongly convicted don't get executed for crimes they didn't commit

Okay, you have absolutely no room to condescend to me. I'm pretty sure I know how my state works better than you.

Ernest explained most of it already, but the death penalty is all but repealed here in NH. Texas has executed more people this year than we have in the 20th century.

You're comparing New Hampshire to Texas, you know the state which has executed a handicapped recently. It's like saying "Franco wasn't that bad because he killed much less people than Hitler".

Your argument wasn't that it was bad for states to execute people, but that it was wrong for states to wrongfully execute people.  There's absolutely no evidence that New Hampshire will be doing that anytime soon even if it doesn't abolish its limited death penalty statute.

Regardless, the right to life is the most fundemental civil right. To think that it's more important to legalise a drug than potentially saving lives is beyond callous.

The bill wouldn't have nullified the sentence of the one guy on death row. There are no lives to be saved. The death penalty is irrelevant in the state of New Hampshire. Is it that hard to understand?

Actually, I'd argue that keeping marijuana criminalized destroys more lives in the state than the death penalty.

To prevent another human being from being sentenced to die in New Hampshire is a more just cause than legalising an intoxicating drug that can cause harm to yourself. It's a democratic cause.

60% of voters think weed should be completely legalized, so I would bet that a solid 70% support decriminalization. I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know that defying the will of the people is not a democratic cause.

[free my dawg]

While Ernest already took most of the words all of my mouth, it's also worth noting that a white cop killer, Gordon Perry, in 1997 was offered a plea deal to avoid the death penalty. Michael Addison, the black man who killed a police officer, had his request denied and was sentenced to death.

Clearly race wasn't a factor, right?

[free my dawg]

While Ernest already took most of the words all of my mouth, it's also worth noting that a white cop killer, Gordon Perry, in 1997 was offered a plea deal to avoid the death penalty. Michael Addison, the black man who killed a police officer, had his request denied and was sentenced to death.

Clearly race wasn't a factor, right?

Of course not.  Racism only occurs in the South.

And the person leading the charge to pursue the death penalty? Some woman named Kelly Ayotte.

Quite a moderate indeed.

[free my dawg]

The vote has failed, 12-12. Senators Sam Cataldo and Bob Odell voted for repeal with the Democrats, and Lou D'Allessandro crossed to vote against repeal. There is no tiebreaker in the NH Senate, so the bill is dead.

I'm more concerned about the Senate President refusing to bring the decriminalization bill to the floor myself.

Right, because decriminalizing marijuana is clearly more important than making sure people who are wrongly convicted don't get executed for crimes they didn't commit

Okay, you have absolutely no room to condescend to me. I'm pretty sure I know how my state works better than you.

Ernest explained most of it already, but the death penalty is all but repealed here in NH. Texas has executed more people this year than we have in the 20th century.

You're comparing New Hampshire to Texas, you know the state which has executed a handicapped recently. It's like saying "Franco wasn't that bad because he killed much less people than Hitler".

Your argument wasn't that it was bad for states to execute people, but that it was wrong for states to wrongfully execute people.  There's absolutely no evidence that New Hampshire will be doing that anytime soon even if it doesn't abolish its limited death penalty statute.

Regardless, the right to life is the most fundemental civil right. To think that it's more important to legalise a drug than potentially saving lives is beyond callous.

The bill wouldn't have nullified the sentence of the one guy on death row. There are no lives to be saved. The death penalty is irrelevant in the state of New Hampshire. Is it that hard to understand?

Actually, I'd argue that keeping marijuana criminalized destroys more lives in the state than the death penalty.

To prevent another human being from being sentenced to die in New Hampshire is a more just cause than legalising an intoxicating drug that can cause harm to yourself. It's a democratic cause.

The War on Drugs has killed more people in the last twenty years than the death penalty has in the last seventy.  Do some research.

We're talking about legalising marijuana, not the loose "War on Drugs" (and while we're on "drugs", do you understand how many more people have accidentally died from overdosing vs the death penalty?). Also, how many people have died in New Hampshire as a result of the "War on Drugs"?

On the subject of marijuana, if nobody has died in New Hampshire from its usage, then more people have died as a result of the death penalty and thus its abolition is naturally vital.

Irrelevant. I am talking about decrim, not legalization. There's a difference, and that's that there is a bill that makes possession of small amounts of weed amount to a traffic ticket, and one man who doesn't think it's a good idea refuses to let it go to committee.