1888 Conventions

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

How about we compromise with Custer/Vance?

Custer's a non-starter for me as President, plus you guys got your choice last time.  I suppose I could live with Vance/Custer although unless the other parties line up behind Vance, I'm sticking with Vance/Teller.

What's your problem with Custer, hero of the Common Man?

His involvement in the Indian Wars  

And yet you'd probably support Theodore Roosevelt who fought in the apparently un-justified Spanish-American War.

No, actually I wouldn't.  TR was a major HP, not really sure why certain liberals like him given that he was never more than a pseudo-reformer.

Ah, you've reached the "Enlightened S(t)age". Good, good....

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

How about we compromise with Custer/Vance?

Custer's a non-starter for me as President, plus you guys got your choice last time.  I suppose I could live with Vance/Custer although unless the other parties line up behind Vance, I'm sticking with Vance/Teller.

What's your problem with Custer, hero of the Common Man?

His involvement in the Indian Wars  

And yet you'd probably support Theodore Roosevelt who fought in the apparently un-justified Spanish-American War.

No, actually I wouldn't.  TR was a major HP, not really sure why certain liberals like him given that he was never more than a pseudo-reformer.

Ah, you've reached the "Enlightened S(t)age". Good, good....

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Well there's Spiral, shua, Maxwell, Deus, and Sanchez - that makes five. Bmotley announced his support for Cleveland, making six, and I (who admittedly voted Whig:Merger) would make seven. Cleveland has 9 votes at the convention thus far.

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Randall was intended to hurt Cleveland.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

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Well there's Spiral, shua, Maxwell, Deus, and Sanchez - that makes five. Bmotley announced his support for Cleveland, making six, and I (who admittedly voted Whig:Merger) would make seven. Cleveland has 9 votes at the convention thus far.

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Randall was intended to hurt Cleveland.

Turnout is also about half of what it was in Cathcon's first version IIRC.  Also, I agree Randall should hurt Cleveland in theory, but in practice he doesn't seem to have done so.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

How about we compromise with Custer/Vance?

Custer's a non-starter for me as President, plus you guys got your choice last time.  I suppose I could live with Vance/Custer although unless the other parties line up behind Vance, I'm sticking with Vance/Teller.

What's your problem with Custer, hero of the Common Man?

His involvement in the Indian Wars  

And yet you'd probably support Theodore Roosevelt who fought in the apparently un-justified Spanish-American War.

No, actually I wouldn't.  TR was a major HP, not really sure why certain liberals like him given that he was never more than a pseudo-reformer.

Ah, you've reached the "Enlightened S(t)age". Good, good....

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I'm just being an asshole. More to the point: I find left-wingers who gush over TR annoying, but I also find it annoying when they gush over Eugene Debs, so I'll just mindlessly make rude (or in this case, mis-interpreted or confusing) comments regarding either.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

How about we compromise with Custer/Vance?

Custer's a non-starter for me as President, plus you guys got your choice last time.  I suppose I could live with Vance/Custer although unless the other parties line up behind Vance, I'm sticking with Vance/Teller.

What's your problem with Custer, hero of the Common Man?

His involvement in the Indian Wars  

And yet you'd probably support Theodore Roosevelt who fought in the apparently un-justified Spanish-American War.

No, actually I wouldn't.  TR was a major HP, not really sure why certain liberals like him given that he was never more than a pseudo-reformer.

Ah, you've reached the "Enlightened S(t)age". Good, good....

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I'm just being an asshole. More to the point: I find left-wingers who gush over TR annoying, but I also find it annoying when they gush over Eugene Debs, so I'll just mindlessly make rude (or in this case, mis-interpreted or confusing) comments regarding either.

Ah, no worries.

[Cassius]

Zebulon Vance/Simon Bolivar Buckner

[Zioneer]

I encourage everyone who supports the Whigs or Radicals to vote to merge so we don't have vote-splitting in the general election.

[Supersonic]

I swear half the voters are just voting for a name that's famous in real life.

Are you sure? There's a pretty vocal libertarian-leaning cohort in this series (myself, shua, Deus, Spiral, Max etc) which roughly squares up with Cleveland's vote total, give or take. For the record, I voted Whig: Merger this time.

I do agree that the famous names tend to do better than ones that are less prominent IRL (much to my disappointment) but I don't think it's solely attributable to that.

I voted Cleveland as, lets face it, the other options are crap.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I encourage everyone who supports the Whigs or Radicals to vote to merge so we don't have vote-splitting in the general election.

I urge fellow anti-Cleveland voters to reject the efforts of Custer/Smith supporters to hijack the Whig convention.  I realize they may share the same goal of defeating Cleveland, but the fact is that only Vance ideally with Senator Teller as his running-mate) has what it takes to defeat Cleveland and a merger would keep him from being nominated.  It is also quite surprising that those who blocked Weaver over his views on immigration would have us unite behind an eager participant in the Indian genocide.  I'd urge Whigs, Radicals, and members of the People's Alliance to support Vance!

[Zioneer]

I'd be for Vance, but only under a united ticket.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'd be for Vance, but only under a united ticket.

Vance isn't an option if there's a merger.  He wasn't listed as one of the People's Alliance candidates

[Zioneer]

I'd be for Vance, but only under a united ticket.

Vance isn't an option if there's a merger.  He wasn't listed as one of the People's Alliance candidates

That's too bad. If he is the Whig nominee though, won't we have a four-way race, since there's no merger?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'd be for Vance, but only under a united ticket.

Vance isn't an option if there's a merger.  He wasn't listed as one of the People's Alliance candidates

That's too bad. If he is the Whig nominee though, won't we have a four-way race, since there's no merger?

The Radicals voted for a merger and the Destiny and People's Alliance parties voted for Custer, so it would be Vance vs. Custer. vs. Cleveland.  Another possibility is that since the Radicals voted for a merger and The People's Alliance lacks Whig participation, the People's Alliance doesn't run anyone and/or the Radicals disappear entirely.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

Nah, there may be better options.  Like Weaver

[Zioneer]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

Nah, there may be better options.  Like Weaver

Wasn't Weaver the racist?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

Nah, there may be better options.  Like Weaver

Or Vance. Imagine President Zebulon Vance.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

Nah, there may be better options.  Like Weaver

Wasn't Weaver the racist?

Nope

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

Nah, there may be better options.  Like Weaver

Or Vance. Imagine President Zebulon Vance.

Let's see how '88 goes.  What about Weaver/Custer in '92.  I could get behind that and then switch to Bryan/Teller in '96.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

Nah, there may be better options.  Like Weaver

Or Vance. Imagine President Zebulon Vance.

Let's see how '88 goes.  What about Weaver/Custer in '92.  I could get behind that and then switch to Bryan/Teller in '96.

I think we can all agree that we're going to have Bryan/Somebody in '96, and Teller seems pretty cool. How about the Whigs merge with the People's Alliance and Destiny parties in '92 so we can sort this all out democratically instead of having two candidates running on the left, a situation which has had negative results for us in the past four elections? I'm not a fan of Weaver, and you're not a fan of Custer, so we probably shouldn't go with that. Perhaps Vance/Bryan in '92, no matter what happens this go-around?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

Nah, there may be better options.  Like Weaver

Or Vance. Imagine President Zebulon Vance.

Let's see how '88 goes.  What about Weaver/Custer in '92.  I could get behind that and then switch to Bryan/Teller in '96.

I think we can all agree that we're going to have Bryan/Somebody in '96, and Teller seems pretty cool. How about the Whigs merge with the People's Alliance and Destiny parties in '92 so we can sort this all out democratically instead of having two candidates running on the left, a situation which has had negative results for us in the past four elections? I'm not a fan of Weaver, and you're not a fan of Custer, so we probably shouldn't go with that. Perhaps Vance/Bryan in '92, no matter what happens this go-around?

Bryan would be unconstitutional in '92.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

Nah, there may be better options.  Like Weaver

Or Vance. Imagine President Zebulon Vance.

Let's see how '88 goes.  What about Weaver/Custer in '92.  I could get behind that and then switch to Bryan/Teller in '96.

I think we can all agree that we're going to have Bryan/Somebody in '96, and Teller seems pretty cool. How about the Whigs merge with the People's Alliance and Destiny parties in '92 so we can sort this all out democratically instead of having two candidates running on the left, a situation which has had negative results for us in the past four elections? I'm not a fan of Weaver, and you're not a fan of Custer, so we probably shouldn't go with that. Perhaps Vance/Bryan in '92, no matter what happens this go-around?

As Cath noted, Bryan would be unconstitutional in 1892 and I think we should check the options before settling on Vance for that year (obviously it doesn't have to be Weaver, but let's make sure there isn't a better option that year that folks can agree on), other than that I completely agree.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

How about we see how things play out in 1888, then run Vance/Custer in 1892. Vance dies in 1894, so they each get two years as President.

Nah, there may be better options.  Like Weaver

Or Vance. Imagine President Zebulon Vance.

Let's see how '88 goes.  What about Weaver/Custer in '92.  I could get behind that and then switch to Bryan/Teller in '96.

I think we can all agree that we're going to have Bryan/Somebody in '96, and Teller seems pretty cool. How about the Whigs merge with the People's Alliance and Destiny parties in '92 so we can sort this all out democratically instead of having two candidates running on the left, a situation which has had negative results for us in the past four elections? I'm not a fan of Weaver, and you're not a fan of Custer, so we probably shouldn't go with that. Perhaps Vance/Bryan in '92, no matter what happens this go-around?

Bryan would be unconstitutional in '92.

Is there an age limit on the Vice-Presidency? Now, it is true that Vance would die soon after Bryan's 34th birthday, but we could just have the Speaker of the House be acting President until Bryan turns 35, just like your series had Douglass be AP until Woodhull turned 35.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Also this has been over for about a day.