Game of Thrones

[Mr. Morden]

Yes, the stuff marked in white text is book spoilers.  Spoilers for episodes that have already aired are discussed freely here, in plain text.  Heck, just look at the first page of this thread (or don't, if you haven't watched any of Season 4 yet).  It's extremely spoilerific, with nothing marked in white text, because it's all about episodes that have already aired.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Oh, that makes sense, my bad.

It's neither the first nor the most important spoiler I've got anyway, so no big deal. Actually, maybe it's a good thing I got some, as it will make it easier to accept the death of characters I liked without suffering too much.

[badgate]

I was a little sad that they cut "Is this a castle, Jon Snow?"

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Well actually, the thread was always there for discussion up to the latest episodes.
Sorry for you, but it would really be wise to leave this thread until you caught up.

As far as I've seen spoilers are usually marked in white text...

Well, most spoilers in white text are book spoilers, spoilers that are ahead of the show as of now... Most people here don't consider the things that happened in the last two/three episodes spoliers, as the ones who are up-date have already seen them. Once again, I'm sorry for you, as Lumine said, no one wants to encounter spoilers of GoT. I can assure you however that I'll talk of such things only in white text.

They changed the whole story quite a bit for my taste - Pip, Grenn, Thorne... Everyone is dead. Why the f[inks]? That robs us from all the "who is elected Lord Commander storyline".

I don't think it was ever clarified whether or not Thorne died.

[Lumine]

Oh, that makes sense, my bad.

It's neither the first nor the most important spoiler I've got anyway, so no big deal. Actually, maybe it's a good thing I got some, as it will make it easier to accept the death of characters I liked without suffering too much.

I don't know if this will make you feel any better, but most posters in this thread have no idea what they're talking about. The story has plenty of subtext and misdirection that many viewers don't catch.

Indeed, I decided to watch Season 1 again a few days ago (I originally watched it without reading the books) and I was quite surprised at the large amount of subtle references, alternate character interpretation and subplots that I missed.

[Peeperkorn]

Absolutely necessary to enjoy and understand the series:

The Game of Thrones - Complete History and Lore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re_4-g07OPw

[Simfan34]

Great Peeperkorn! This makes me wonder, if Jamie and Cersei are actually Targaryens... it would explain their... habit.

[Likely Voter]

I'm curious where they go with the next seasons. The producers want to finish the series with seven seasons. As of this weekend they will have wrapped up 4 seasons which will cover the first 3 books and maybe about 1/4 of the fourth and fifth books (which run concurrently). GRR Martin has yet to finish and publish the 6th and 7th books, but the way things look by this time next year they will have finished with most (if not all) of the book material. Unless they choose to drag it out ala "The Hobbit" and just start adding useless padding. I'm ok with the show going past what has been released, assuming that it is all based on outlines from Martin. They shouldn't wait for his glacial pace of releasing books.

[badgate]

I am currently leaning towards abandoning the TV show if they go past Winds of Winter. It's nothing personal; I love the show.

[ilikeverin]

Well actually, the thread was always there for discussion up to the latest episodes.
Sorry for you, but it would really be wise to leave this thread until you caught up.

As far as I've seen spoilers are usually marked in white text...

Well, most spoilers in white text are book spoilers, spoilers that are ahead of the show as of now... Most people here don't consider the things that happened in the last two/three episodes spoliers, as the ones who are up-date have already seen them. Once again, I'm sorry for you, as Lumine said, no one wants to encounter spoilers of GoT. I can assure you however that I'll talk of such things only in white text.

They changed the whole story quite a bit for my taste - Pip, Grenn, Thorne... Everyone is dead. Why the f[inks]? That robs us from all the "who is elected Lord Commander storyline".

I don't think it was ever clarified whether or not Thorne died.

Indeed it was not.

[Oakvale]

I actually thought it was fairly obvious that Thorne isn't dead as opposed to just wounded.

[Cranberry]

I actually thought it was fairly obvious that Thorne isn't dead as opposed to just wounded.

I must have gotten something wrong, but I could've sworn he died. Well, next time I should look more carefully, before protesting about something that didn't even happen
Has anyone other but me the feeling that the next episode will again be heavily centered on the Wall arc?
Dany's arc is about finished, as is Sansa's, the Bolton arc seems finished too. Tyrion has left something going, Arya has and Bran, too. And of course the whole Wall / Jon / Stannis story. There isn't anything left, right? Maybe LSH, as season finale...?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I actually thought it was fairly obvious that Thorne isn't dead as opposed to just wounded.

I must have gotten something wrong, but I could've sworn he died. Well, next time I should look more carefully, before protesting about something that didn't even happen
Has anyone other but me the feeling that the next episode will again be heavily centered on the Wall arc?
Dany's arc is about finished, as is Sansa's, the Bolton arc seems finished too. Tyrion has left something going, Arya has and Bran, too. And of course the whole Wall / Jon / Stannis story. There isn't anything left, right? Maybe LSH, as season finale...?

I doubt it.  I think Stannis probably saves the day pretty quickly and then we end that plot thread right there within the first 7-10 minutes after the opening credits.  The HBO preview confirmed that their will be at least one scene with each of the following combinations: Dany/dragons, Jon/Wildling Redshirts/Mance Rayder, Arya/the Hound, Cersei/Tywin, Cersei/Jaime, and THAT scene (if you've read the book you should know what I mean, I don't want to risk someone getting spoiled about it b/c of the angle that they were looking at their computer ).  Given that the last one surely takes up at least 15 minutes of screen-time and could conceivably take up 20-25 minutes (I'd predict 20 minutes), that is a lot to fit in one episode.  I don't see how they can spend much more than 10 minutes at the wall (if that, it could easily be less).

[badgate]

According to HBO the finale will be 66 minutes long.

As for the Wall:
I hope we can at least end, if not with the Lord Commander election, but with Stannis offering to legitimize Jon and make him Lord Stark of Winterfell.

With finales they occasionally do a prologue, I'm hoping the episode will begin with Jon and after Stannis' cavalry comes in it transitions excitingly into the credits.

I predict that Lady Stoneheart will be a ~2 minute coda to the episode. We may see Brienne's story intersect with LSH the way it does near the end of A Feast For Crows...this is speculation based on comments I saw on a website.

[Cranberry]

I actually thought it was fairly obvious that Thorne isn't dead as opposed to just wounded.

I must have gotten something wrong, but I could've sworn he died. Well, next time I should look more carefully, before protesting about something that didn't even happen
Has anyone other but me the feeling that the next episode will again be heavily centered on the Wall arc?
Dany's arc is about finished, as is Sansa's, the Bolton arc seems finished too. Tyrion has left something going, Arya has and Bran, too. And of course the whole Wall / Jon / Stannis story. There isn't anything left, right? Maybe LSH, as season finale...?

I doubt it.  I think Stannis probably saves the day pretty quickly and then we end that plot thread right there within the first 7-10 minutes after the opening credits.  The HBO preview confirmed that their will be at least one scene with each of the following combinations: Dany/dragons, Jon/Wildling Redshirts/Mance Rayder, Arya/the Hound, Cersei/Tywin, Cersei/Jaime, and THAT scene (if you've read the book you should know what I mean, I don't want to risk someone getting spoiled about it b/c of the angle that they were looking at their computer ).  Given that the last one surely takes up at least 15 minutes of screen-time and could conceivably take up 20-25 minutes (I'd predict 20 minutes), that is a lot to fit in one episode.  I don't see how they can spend much more than 10 minutes at the wall (if that, it could easily be less).

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that scene Of course, that will be the main story arc of the episode.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Just finished season 2. It's always gonna be a downer ending isn't it?

[Lumine]

Just finished season 2. It's always gonna be a downer ending isn't it?

I'd say that one on the next finales is going to be more optimistic than the rest of them, but then again that's not saying much, xD

On an unrelated note, there an idea I wanted to discuss in this thread, if someone is interested. As of now I am still hosting a strategy game that might take some time, but my first option was always to host a grand strategy game based on Game of Thrones/ASOIAF. I even discussed it with some forum members a few months ago, but I never went through with it because I felt I would lack enough players.

In the case I were to host one of those in the future (or find someone to host it), would anybody be interested?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Just finished season 2. It's always gonna be a downer ending isn't it?

I'd say that one on the next finales is going to be more optimistic than the rest of them, but then again that's not saying much, xD

On an unrelated note, there an idea I wanted to discuss in this thread, if someone is interested. As of now I am still hosting a strategy game that might take some time, but my first option was always to host a grand strategy game based on Game of Thrones/ASOIAF. I even discussed it with some forum members a few months ago, but I never went through with it because I felt I would lack enough players.

In the case I were to host one of those in the future (or find someone to host it), would anybody be interested?

Sure! That sounds fun. I just hope I'll have finished watching when you start it.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I am interested in participating, Lumine. Let me know if you get any farther with the idea.

[Simfan34]

Maybe.

[Lumine]

I am interested in participating, Lumine. Let me know if you get any farther with the idea.

Great! My final exams for the semester are coming, so I will planify a potential game and then see if the time will allow me to host that and Balance of Power at the same time. (I also have to decide the setting, like Robert Baratheon's Rebellion, the War of the Five Kings or the rough scenario of a Feast for Crows+A Dance with Dragons.

On another note, and while I know that those who read the books will be dissapointed with some issues, I loved that finale! They are truly serious about killing people who are still alive in the books...

[bgwah]

The effects on this show have gotten really good. It must cost a ton to make.

Oh, and I'm going to miss Tywin.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'm not happy they whitewashed the Tyrion-Jamie interaction.  Still a phenomenal scene though.  Does anyone else think it was perfect that this episode aired on father's day?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I am interested in participating, Lumine. Let me know if you get any farther with the idea.

Great! My final exams for the semester are coming, so I will planify a potential game and then see if the time will allow me to host that and Balance of Power at the same time. (I also have to decide the setting, like Robert Baratheon's Rebellion, the War of the Five Kings or the rough scenario of a Feast for Crows+A Dance with Dragons.

I'm fine with anything as long as it's covered by the show. I'm never gonna read the books though.

[Lumine]

Shameless propaganda: The game is up now and with several players, in case anybody else is interested!