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« on: April 15, 2014, 10:28:45 PM »
« edited: April 18, 2014, 11:00:07 PM by True Federalist »

Frazier Glenn Miller ran in the Democratic Primary and received 0.61% of the vote.

http://www.whty.org/

And what it is that he seems to want:

http://www.whty.org/elected.htm (Warning: Racist diatribes in link - TF)
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2014, 11:20:45 PM »

Frazier Glenn Miller ran in the Democratic Primary and received 0.61% of the vote.

The DLC probably supported him because he was the "least liberal" Democrat.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2014, 11:30:46 PM »

Frazier Glenn Miller ran in the Democratic Primary and received 0.61% of the vote.

The DLC probably supported him because he was the "least liberal" Democrat.

The DLC's pro-Israel and interventionist so no.

Anyways I'm not surprised that he has a website.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2014, 11:43:24 PM »

#5 has already been done, it's called "most of the American history you learn in elementary and high school besides MLK and Rosa Parks".
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2014, 02:35:47 AM »

I don't think even Godwin would mind comparing this guy to the Nazis.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2014, 11:01:15 AM »

Damn Democrats.

/sarcasm
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2014, 01:21:47 PM »

Good call on the edit, Ernest.  We don't want the jailed mass murderer to call Dave on copyright infringement.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2014, 02:47:42 PM »

Good call on the edit, Ernest.  We don't want the jailed mass murderer to call Dave on copyright infringement.
Copyright is copyright.  Tho to be fair, I wasn't the one to report it.  Still, copyright shouldn't be reserved for the rich, or the powerful, or the sane.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2014, 03:25:29 PM »
« Edited: April 17, 2014, 03:31:57 PM by Former Moderate »

Good call on the edit, Ernest.  We don't want the jailed mass murderer to call Dave on copyright infringement.
Copyright is copyright.  Tho to be fair, I wasn't the one to report it.  Still, copyright shouldn't be reserved for the rich, or the powerful, or the sane.

How would this not easily fall under Fair Use? This was a political candidate for statewide office who wrote a manifesto intended for wide, free non-commercial distribution. Reproducing his text does not cause any damages or financial loss to him.

Wouldn't you assume that his intent here is to maximize the distribution of the ideas he presented, and that he would want this information widely disseminated? Does it make any logical sense that anyone would, never mind could, sue over this?
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2014, 03:37:41 PM »

Be quiet, Moderate.


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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2014, 05:01:05 PM »

Good call on the edit, Ernest.  We don't want the jailed mass murderer to call Dave on copyright infringement.
Copyright is copyright.  Tho to be fair, I wasn't the one to report it.  Still, copyright shouldn't be reserved for the rich, or the powerful, or the sane.

How would this not easily fall under Fair Use? This was a political candidate for statewide office who wrote a manifesto intended for wide, free non-commercial distribution. Reproducing his text does not cause any damages or financial loss to him.

Wouldn't you assume that his intent here is to maximize the distribution of the ideas he presented, and that he would want this information widely disseminated? Does it make any logical sense that anyone would, never mind could, sue over this?

The Unabom Manifesto is in the public domain. The writer wants it that way.

There's no commercial value in what this nut wrote, including his Holocaust denial. After all, no member of the Jewish cabal that dominates publishing (sarcasm intended) would ever buy and publish this bilge except as an example of what is wrong with antisemitism. The Jewish bankers* who dominate the economy would never let the money change hands.

He is in no position to gain from it. Maybe his site could be sold, but that has nothing to do with copyright laws.

I would save it as an illustration of the crankiness of antisemitism. If one wants to know who hates the Jews and why... here it is. Never mind that the vast majority of Jews are honorable, upstanding people and that Judaism is one of the most benign religions in the modern world.


*Jews are scarce in the banking industry, and the few Jewish banks that there are cater to Jewish customers.  The canard of Jewish control of banking is a great myth.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2014, 08:49:36 PM »

Regardless of whether anyone thinks a work has commercial value or not, the author (unless he assigns the copyright to another) still holds copyright and thus has a right to control duplication of that work.  Indeed, it is not unknown for a person or group who does not intend to gain commercially from a work to nonetheless enforce copyright so as to control who may distribute or otherwise make use of the work.  The fact this particular author is an immoral scumbag does not change the fact that he has a moral right to control the use of his work.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2014, 02:17:58 PM »

Mom, the moderators are arguing again!
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2014, 09:43:31 PM »

I would suggest that Dhillon v. Doe shows that reprinting the manifesto here is -- with legal precedent -- fair use.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/fair-use-triumphs-teh-munger-games
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2014, 10:22:47 PM »

A single publicity photo isn't anywhere close to the level of being a substantial amount of a creative work the way an entire campaign manifesto is, especially when said manifesto is presented with essentially no commentary or criticism.
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2014, 11:12:42 PM »

I do not agree that a written piece of this length (especially one clearly created for wide, free distribution without any commercial intent or value) is a more substantial work than reprinting a single photograph. And I do believe this is transformative under the same copyright standard.

The fact this particular author is an immoral scumbag does not change the fact that he has a moral right to control the use of his work.

The United States legal system is certainly not one that respects the moral rights of political manifesto writers.
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2014, 10:12:03 AM »

And I do believe this is transformative under the same copyright standard.
I don't see how this particular use could have been considered transformative without essentially saying that anything that gets copied and pasted into the forum is transformative.  Furthermore, Dave has made it clear he wants us to err on the side of caution with respect to copyright, probably precisely because he doesn't care to bear the expenses the defendants in Dhillon v. Doe incurred despite winning their case.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2014, 06:19:33 PM »

Surely this maniac would rather shoot us than sue us?
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2014, 07:25:52 PM »

Surely this maniac would rather shoot us than sue us?

Don't you dare drag common sense into this.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2014, 09:36:59 PM »

Surely this maniac would rather shoot us than sue us?
He's safely behind bars for now.  His lawyers aren't.

Surely this maniac would rather shoot us than sue us?
Don't you dare drag common sense into this.
We're talking copyright law, not common sense.
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2014, 07:47:57 PM »

Good call on the edit, Ernest.  We don't want the jailed mass murderer to call Dave on copyright infringement.
Copyright is copyright.  Tho to be fair, I wasn't the one to report it.  Still, copyright shouldn't be reserved for the rich, or the powerful, or the sane.

How would this not easily fall under Fair Use? This was a political candidate for statewide office who wrote a manifesto intended for wide, free non-commercial distribution. Reproducing his text does not cause any damages or financial loss to him.

Wouldn't you assume that his intent here is to maximize the distribution of the ideas he presented, and that he would want this information widely disseminated? Does it make any logical sense that anyone would, never mind could, sue over this?

As I (and Dave) have said numerous times, the main issue is not somebody suing; it's Google taking away ad revenue from the site for copyright violations.
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2014, 08:09:19 PM »

Setting aside the copyright issue, I'm always amused by the self-importance of fringe racialists.

Was North Carolina somehow clamoring for a Third Positionist in 1984? Was there a public outpouring of nostalgia for the Confederacy and opposition to America's subsidization of Israel that year? Why even waste your time on a gubernatorial campaign otherwise, if you're not going to catch a rising wave?
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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2014, 10:33:23 AM »

Those anti white liberals Reagan and Helms were running NC into the ground.
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