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« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2014, 10:22:32 AM »

This wouldn't be an issue if the government had explicit guarantees that protect workers (such as healthcare and vacation and sick pay). As it is, unions are absolutely necessary and I'm vehemently opposed to these types of laws.
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« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2014, 12:11:41 PM »

Not in principle, as I believe that employers should be able to have full discretion over their hiring decisions. However, right-to-work may be a necessary evil until/unless the Wagner Act is repealed.
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« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2014, 04:37:59 PM »

Hell no! While everyone should want to join a union in the first place because who doesn't want higher pay and better benefits, and those that refuse to join the union still get the benefits of the union. I think that if you opt out, you should make minimum wage and get no benefits and no time off, while the union members earn $22.50 an hour, full-time, good health benefits, and paid vacation.
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« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2014, 04:54:01 PM »

Hell no! While everyone should want to join a union in the first place because who doesn't want higher pay and better benefits, and those that refuse to join the union still get the benefits of the union. I think that if you opt out, you should make minimum wage and get no benefits and no time off, while the union members earn $22.50 an hour, full-time, good health benefits, and paid vacation.

In the global era, the only thing you get with collective bargaining is outsourcing. The world has changed. Dem labor has not evolved particularly well.
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« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2014, 05:07:51 PM »

Hell no! While everyone should want to join a union in the first place because who doesn't want higher pay and better benefits, and those that refuse to join the union still get the benefits of the union. I think that if you opt out, you should make minimum wage and get no benefits and no time off, while the union members earn $22.50 an hour, full-time, good health benefits, and paid vacation.
The benefits union workers receive depends on union-management negotiations. If labor unions want to negotiate for high wages and extensive benefits, that's their choice. If they want to exclude non-union workers from those goals, that's also their choice. But as long as Federal labor laws grant them special privileges in the bargaining process, State governments should make it so that employers have the choice to hire non-union workers who don't use government privileges to advance their negotiating position, and so that non-union workers aren't pushed out of the workforce as a result of union security contracts negotiated through a Federally manipulated bargaining process.
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« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2014, 05:12:21 PM »

No, and on libertarian grounds: right-to-work laws, along with Taft-Hartley, have lead to greater Federal involvement in the workplace and to more centralization of economic decision-making, not less.
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« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2014, 11:15:09 PM »

Unions are not inherently more virtuous than management, and in the public sector they're  basically run by comic book villains. But they serve a function and, on the whole, almost all of us are better off for it. I don't understand why anyone would support a policy that effectively bans collective bargaining.

how do right to work laws ban collective bargaining?
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« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2014, 01:13:29 AM »

Unions are not inherently more virtuous than management, and in the public sector they're  basically run by comic book villains. But they serve a function and, on the whole, almost all of us are better off for it. I don't understand why anyone would support a policy that effectively bans collective bargaining.

how do right to work laws ban collective bargaining?

What incentive do I have to join a union if I'm not obligated to do so?

What's stopping me from just declining to join and letting the people who actually pay dues fund the negotiating process that gets me a higher wage and better benefits?
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« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2014, 01:18:20 AM »

Unions are not inherently more virtuous than management, and in the public sector they're  basically run by comic book villains. But they serve a function and, on the whole, almost all of us are better off for it. I don't understand why anyone would support a policy that effectively bans collective bargaining.

how do right to work laws ban collective bargaining?

What incentive do I have to join a union if I'm not obligated to do so?

What's stopping me from just declining to join and letting the people who actually pay dues fund the negotiating process that gets me a higher wage and better benefits?
What's stopping unions from just negotiating higher wages and benefits for union workers only?
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« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2014, 03:08:14 AM »
« Edited: April 20, 2014, 03:10:00 AM by Antonio V »

What incentive do I have to join a union if I'm not obligated to do so?

European countries don't force workers into unions, yet their unionization rates are generally much higher than in the US (France being the exception, sadly).

One solution (used in Scandinavia, IIRC) is to tie various labor benefits to union membership.
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« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2014, 03:13:42 AM »

I don't understand the problem to force people to join a union seriously...
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« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2014, 09:56:12 AM »

Yes.  After all, they don't make it illegal to join a union, just optional.
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« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2014, 11:27:41 AM »

itt: right wing democrats
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« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2014, 11:59:10 AM »

Yes, though not as standalone policy.
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« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2014, 05:08:36 PM »

Yes, I support them.
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