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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2014, 07:21:02 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2014, 10:16:53 PM »

No, as if destroying worker's rights wasn't bad enough, the term "right to work" being used instead of "anti-union" is one of the worst examples of right wing political correctness attempting to make a horrible idea sound not bad, right up there with the term "pro-life" being used instead of "anti-abortion".
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2014, 10:19:14 PM »

No, as if destroying worker's rights wasn't bad enough, the term "right to work" being used instead of "anti-union" is one of the worst examples of right wing political correctness attempting to make a horrible idea sound not bad, right up there with the term "pro-life" being used instead of "anti-abortion".

Or "pro-choice" being used instead of "pro-abortion"? Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2014, 10:26:44 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2014, 10:26:48 PM »

No, as if destroying worker's rights wasn't bad enough, the term "right to work" being used instead of "anti-union" is one of the worst examples of right wing political correctness attempting to make a horrible idea sound not bad, right up there with the term "pro-life" being used instead of "anti-abortion".

Or "pro-choice" being used instead of "pro-abortion"? Tongue
I use the term pro-choice instead of pro-abortion most of the time, but to be fair yes.
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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2014, 10:45:53 PM »

No, I oppose slavery.
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2014, 10:51:37 PM »

And the award for least surprising post ever goes to...
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2014, 03:13:42 AM »

No, as if destroying worker's rights wasn't bad enough, the term "right to work" being used instead of "anti-union" is one of the worst examples of right wing political correctness attempting to make a horrible idea sound not bad, right up there with the term "pro-life" being used instead of "anti-abortion".

Or "pro-choice" being used instead of "pro-abortion"? Tongue

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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2014, 03:42:30 AM »

 Hell no.
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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2014, 03:43:58 AM »

It's funny to note that this is actually a statist policy - it's quite interventionist to prevent businesses from making contacts with certain types of unions if so they please.

That said, I don't have a problem with state intervention in business if it's addressing something that only the state can - I think it's the lesser of two evils here. I'm opposed to forced union membership. Support.

(I should point out before I'm accused of "Moderate Heroism" or whatever again that unions are one of the issues I've been fairly consistently "right-wing" on...)
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« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2014, 04:23:05 AM »

It's funny to note that this is actually a statist policy - it's quite interventionist to prevent businesses from making contacts with certain types of unions if so they please.

That said, I don't have a problem with state intervention in business if it's addressing something that only the state can - I think it's the lesser of two evils here. I'm opposed to forced union membership. Support.

(I should point out before I'm accused of "Moderate Heroism" or whatever again that unions are one of the issues I've been fairly consistently "right-wing" on...)

No you're perfectly right. I couldn't care less about anything beyond the fact that I have no desire to ever join a union. My sister is a public school teacher and has all sorts of horror stories related to the union. I shouldn't be forced to pay union dues to maintain employment and unions these days have little to offer.
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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2014, 05:00:19 AM »

The whole American system doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand why workers should be forced to join a union if they don't want to and I don't understand why workers should be prevented from joining a union if they want to. Guess that's an issue where Old Europe is more free-market oriented than 'Murica.
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« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2014, 05:26:23 AM »

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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2014, 10:32:25 AM »

The thing that really irks me about the USA is that a company is allowed, and expected, to do anything and everything short of physical violence to prevent its workers from organizing. And indeed, we have a history of just that - resorting to actual violence to prevent unions from organizing. I really think we need to strengthen laws that limit a corporation's ability to hold propaganda sessions, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with workers in other ways, like cornering them and making promises and so forth. It really is deplorable, so until there is anything close to a level playing field, I would blanket oppose these awful laws.

A union bargains for a better wage and usually requires just cause for you to be fired. It boggles my mind why workers wouldn't want just those basic protections. They seem to everywhere but here!
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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2014, 10:55:44 AM »

The whole American system doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand why workers should be forced to join a union if they don't want to and I don't understand why workers should be prevented from joining a union if they want to. Guess that's an issue where Old Europe is more free-market oriented than 'Murica.

Sums up my views perfectly.

My stance is that employees should have the right to decide if they want to form a union, not the business or the state government.  In my mind, it's pretty totalitarian to suggest that a business should have the authority to decide whether or not the employees can form unions and probably violates several amendments of the US Constitution.  Including the freedom of speech and of association.  When we have a more sane composition on the Supreme Court, there needs to be a ruling on this.
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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2014, 11:18:31 AM »

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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2014, 12:38:54 PM »

Like I said in the SC-Gov thread, if you support these laws, you are not a Democrat.
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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2014, 12:40:46 PM »

Guess that's an issue where Old Europe is more free-market oriented than 'Murica.

That's not an extremely seldom thing. It's mainly social welfare that leads to the impression of "socialist Europe" against "capitalist America". (Mostly by people that have no idea what the terms mean.)
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2014, 12:47:25 PM »

Like I said in the SC-Gov thread, if you REALLY support these laws, you are not a Democrat. Faking RTW support in order to win in such conservatives states where RTW is the law and can't be repealed is tolerable.
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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2014, 12:52:25 PM »

The whole American system doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand why workers should be forced to join a union if they don't want to and I don't understand why workers should be prevented from joining a union if they want to. Guess that's an issue where Old Europe is more free-market oriented than 'Murica.

Sums up my views perfectly.

My stance is that employees should have the right to decide if they want to form a union, not the business or the state government.  In my mind, it's pretty totalitarian to suggest that a business should have the authority to decide whether or not the employees can form unions and probably violates several amendments of the US Constitution.  Including the freedom of speech and of association.  When we have a more sane composition on the Supreme Court, there needs to be a ruling on this.
Are you talking about public sector unions or something? How can a private business violate the Constitution?
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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2014, 01:24:01 PM »

The whole American system doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand why workers should be forced to join a union if they don't want to and I don't understand why workers should be prevented from joining a union if they want to. Guess that's an issue where Old Europe is more free-market oriented than 'Murica.

Sums up my views perfectly.

My stance is that employees should have the right to decide if they want to form a union, not the business or the state government.  In my mind, it's pretty totalitarian to suggest that a business should have the authority to decide whether or not the employees can form unions and probably violates several amendments of the US Constitution.  Including the freedom of speech and of association.  When we have a more sane composition on the Supreme Court, there needs to be a ruling on this.
Are you talking about public sector unions or something? How can a private business violate the Constitution?

I was more addressing state governments giving power to effectively illegalize unions.  Which is what happens when a business decides "no you can't do that" and thus have state decree saying as much.
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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2014, 01:39:29 PM »

The whole American system doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand why workers should be forced to join a union if they don't want to and I don't understand why workers should be prevented from joining a union if they want to. Guess that's an issue where Old Europe is more free-market oriented than 'Murica.

Sums up my views perfectly.

My stance is that employees should have the right to decide if they want to form a union, not the business or the state government.  In my mind, it's pretty totalitarian to suggest that a business should have the authority to decide whether or not the employees can form unions and probably violates several amendments of the US Constitution.  Including the freedom of speech and of association.  When we have a more sane composition on the Supreme Court, there needs to be a ruling on this.
Are you talking about public sector unions or something? How can a private business violate the Constitution?

I was more addressing state governments giving power to effectively illegalize unions.  Which is what happens when a business decides "no you can't do that" and thus have state decree saying as much.
What decrees are you referring to? What do you mean by "illegalize unions?"
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« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2014, 02:34:09 PM »

No, I support workers' rights.
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« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2014, 03:12:15 PM »

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« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2014, 03:15:11 PM »

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