SENATE BILL: The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014 (Law'd)

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I support the ban on shark finning, but a lot of species, not just sharks, face threats from overfishing in general, and I'm not sure a complete ban on all sharks species regardless of their endangered/threatened status is the right approach. 


Nay

So you're going to potentially allow more sharks to die because this bill doesn't go far enough?

If sharks that have relatively healthy populations now are not going to be able to be fished, meanwhile some of the species the sharks are eating are already threatened by overfishing, can you see how that can be a problem?

I don't think the solution to the decline of fish populations is to kill sharks - I'm pretty sure humans are the bigger predators.

[Lumine]

Aye. To consider killing a species just because we refuse to regulate something is ridiculous. Sharks eating fish creates a balance in the ecosystem, us killing everything in the ocean is everything but that.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aye. To consider killing a species just because we refuse to regulate something is ridiculous. Sharks eating fish creates a balance in the ecosystem, us killing everything in the ocean is everything but that.

It's not ridiculous to consider the combined effects of both human and other predator species on small fish.  It's not ridiculous to consider the changing facts on the ground in the sea when developing a solution.  You know it's becoming easier in the North Atlantic to find dogfish than it is to find the cod the dogfish eat?  So why are we banning killing the less immediately threatened species?

[Cincinnatus]

This has enough votes to pass.  Senators have 24 hours to change their vote

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

This has enough votes to pass.  Senators have 24 hours to object.

In that case I object.

(I think you meant change their votes.)   

If this does pass, I encourage the President to veto this or redraft it.   If the Senator from the Northeast is not going to look out for the needs of New England's fishermen, someone has to.

[bore]

I wouldn't be completely opposed to a redraft changing it to only banning the consumption of endangered sharks, though finning, regardless of how endangered the animal is, is a fairly disgusting practice. I'd also presume that atlasia has a better policy in these areas anyway than the US.

It's sort of irritating that this objection has only just been discovered though.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I wouldn't be completely opposed to a redraft changing it to only banning the consumption of endangered sharks, though finning, regardless of how endangered the animal is, is a fairly disgusting practice. I'd also presume that atlasia has a better policy in these areas anyway than the US.

It's sort of irritating that this objection has only just been discovered though.

I was so focused on the international relations aspect of this I didn't come to this issue until I was looking into whether to vote for the final bill.   It's true that it would be great if we had more people looking into the various aspects of bills and recognize problems sooner.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Reluctant Aye, prediced on redraft being forthcoming

I wouldn't be completely opposed to a redraft changing it to only banning the consumption of endangered sharks, though finning, regardless of how endangered the animal is, is a fairly disgusting practice. I'd also presume that atlasia has a better policy in these areas anyway than the US.

It's sort of irritating that this objection has only just been discovered though.

I was so focused on the international relations aspect of this I didn't come to this issue until I was looking into whether to vote for the final bill.   It's true that it would be great if we had more people looking into the various aspects of bills and recognize problems sooner.

I was screaming bloody murder about this last August and this bill is much smaller than that. The number of bills makes a fine tooth comb difficult and people made clear last year that the committees were not going to be made good use of in this regard either.

[Cincinnatus]

Vote on Final Passage of The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014:

Aye [7]: Alfred, Tyrion, bore, Talleyrand, TNF, Lumine, and Yankee
Nay (2): Goldwater, shua
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): DC al Fine

Having seven votes in the affirmative, this legislation has passed and awaits executive action.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I'll get to the redraft this weekend after my last exam on Saturday. Sorry for the delay, but law school comes first. If someone wants to let me know what needs redrafting without me reading through it all, it could speed up the process.

[bore]

I think the redraft that is desired is something along the lines of banning the consumption and killing only of actually endangered sharks.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

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From the sound of it, this is what we want to pass.

[Cincinnatus]

Twenty-four hours to debate the redraft Senators.

[bore]

That redraft is fine by me.

[Lumine]

I'm fine with the redraft as well.

[Cincinnatus]

A final vote is now open on the underlying redraft.  Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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[bore]

Aye

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aye

[Goldwater]

AYE

[Lumine]

Aye.

[TNF]

Aye

[Adam Griffin]

Aye

[President Tyrion]

Aye

[Cincinnatus]

Vote on Final Passage of The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014:

Aye (7): Tyrion, Griffin, TNF, Lumine, Goldwater, shua, and bore
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (3): DC al Fine, Alfred, and Yankee

Having seven votes in the affirmative, and none in opposition, this bill passes and is sent to the President for Executive Decision

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

A final vote is now open on the underlying redraft.  Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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