Would you rather live in Fargo, ND or Phoenix, AZ?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

In addition to being preferable in virtually every way, including being less of a sprawly suburban mess, Fargo also has better weather.

[WalterMitty]

fargo.

[bedstuy]

In addition to being preferable in virtually every way, including being less of a sprawly suburban mess, Fargo also has better weather.

I think most people prefer the weather in Phoenix to Fargo.  Plus, if you live in Phoenix, you have a short drive to the mountains or the beach for a few weekends in the summer.  You can't really escape the cold in Fargo during the winter. 

In terms of the sprawl, who is making you live in Gilbert or Buckeye?  If you live in Phoenix, you don't necessarily spend any time in those sprawly suburbs.

[Tender Branson]

Fargo (normal).

[Fed. Pac. Chairman Devin]

Fargo.

[Flake]

Lean Phoenix

[ElectionsGuy]

Phoenix

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

In addition to being preferable in virtually every way, including being less of a sprawly suburban mess, Fargo also has better weather.

I think most people prefer the weather in Phoenix to Fargo.  Plus, if you live in Phoenix, you have a short drive to the mountains or the beach for a few weekends in the summer.  You can't really escape the cold in Fargo during the winter. 

In terms of the sprawl, who is making you live in Gilbert or Buckeye?  If you live in Phoenix, you don't necessarily spend any time in those sprawly suburbs.

Phoenix itself is also a sprawly mess that contains many very un-urban parts, much like Jacksonville.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The one that isn't Phoenix.

[Lief 🗽]

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Might I also point out that the Cass County Sheriff is no doubt an asshole, he's not Joe Arpaio.

And seriously, Joe Arpaio alone is enough reason not to live in Maricopa County. His violations of due process, civil liberties, and human rights are horrific and not something I want to ever have the possibility of being the victim of.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Fargo.

[bedstuy]

In addition to being preferable in virtually every way, including being less of a sprawly suburban mess, Fargo also has better weather.

I think most people prefer the weather in Phoenix to Fargo.  Plus, if you live in Phoenix, you have a short drive to the mountains or the beach for a few weekends in the summer.  You can't really escape the cold in Fargo during the winter. 

In terms of the sprawl, who is making you live in Gilbert or Buckeye?  If you live in Phoenix, you don't necessarily spend any time in those sprawly suburbs.

Phoenix itself is also a sprawly mess that contains many very un-urban parts, much like Jacksonville.

I know, I've been there many times.  I was more referring to central Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tempe around ASU.

[windjammer]

North Dakota= BRTD's homestate
So Fargo

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

In addition to being preferable in virtually every way, including being less of a sprawly suburban mess, Fargo also has better weather.

I think most people prefer the weather in Phoenix to Fargo.  Plus, if you live in Phoenix, you have a short drive to the mountains or the beach for a few weekends in the summer.  You can't really escape the cold in Fargo during the winter. 

In terms of the sprawl, who is making you live in Gilbert or Buckeye?  If you live in Phoenix, you don't necessarily spend any time in those sprawly suburbs.

Phoenix itself is also a sprawly mess that contains many very un-urban parts, much like Jacksonville.

I know, I've been there many times.  I was more referring to central Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tempe around ASU.

The Fargo-Moorhead area is actually surprisingly well designed in terms of public transit and walkability. This is mostly because the traffic layout makes sense, and you don't have hordes of roads to nowhere or to some random neighborhood with no reason to exist where it does instead of closer in. Not perfect obviously and has some bad areas, but you can ignore them. Downtown Fargo kind of reminds me of south Minneapolis (in the sense of Minneapolis south of where I live, not the entire south Minneapolis area) and it has all the cool independent stores and coffee shops too. Even West Fargo is pretty well connected to the main city and to find horrific sprawl you have to drive outside of the city limits or to exurbs that were rural towns without traffic lights when I was in high school.

And as noted above, you don't have to live with the possibility of being a victim of Joe Arpaio's never ending civil liberties violations.

[Mechaman]

Yep, that sums up my thoughts exactly.

[bedstuy]

In addition to being preferable in virtually every way, including being less of a sprawly suburban mess, Fargo also has better weather.

I think most people prefer the weather in Phoenix to Fargo.  Plus, if you live in Phoenix, you have a short drive to the mountains or the beach for a few weekends in the summer.  You can't really escape the cold in Fargo during the winter. 

In terms of the sprawl, who is making you live in Gilbert or Buckeye?  If you live in Phoenix, you don't necessarily spend any time in those sprawly suburbs.

Phoenix itself is also a sprawly mess that contains many very un-urban parts, much like Jacksonville.

I know, I've been there many times.  I was more referring to central Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tempe around ASU.

The Fargo-Moorhead area is actually surprisingly well designed in terms of public transit and walkability. This is mostly because the traffic layout makes sense, and you don't have hordes of roads to nowhere or to some random neighborhood with no reason to exist where it does instead of closer in. Not perfect obviously and has some bad areas, but you can ignore them. Downtown Fargo kind of reminds me of south Minneapolis (in the sense of Minneapolis south of where I live, not the entire south Minneapolis area) and it has all the cool independent stores and coffee shops too. Even West Fargo is pretty well connected to the main city and to find horrific sprawl you have to drive outside of the city limits or to exurbs that were rural towns without traffic lights when I was in high school.

And as noted above, you don't have to live with the possibility of being a victim of Joe Arpaio's never ending civil liberties violations.

No, I agree that Fargo is nicer than one would think and I hate Phoenix too.  

I think Phoenix is probably better if you're outdoorsy, young or retired, or like warm weather.  Fargo is probably better if you're middle aged and like the cold.

[DemPGH]

lol lol lol, obviously Phoenix. 

How many people here would vote Siberia if it were the choice, or the Klondike? Half?

[Goldwater]

Phoenix (sane)

[Badger]

Phoenix (sane)

[Hatman 🍁]

lol lol lol, obviously Phoenix. 

How many people here would vote Siberia if it were the choice, or the Klondike? Half?

Duh. Both Siberia and the Klondike are superior to Phoenix. Well, maybe not Siberia for political reasons.

[DemPGH]

lol lol lol, obviously Phoenix. 

How many people here would vote Siberia if it were the choice, or the Klondike? Half?

Duh. Both Siberia and the Klondike are superior to Phoenix. Well, maybe not Siberia for political reasons.

Ahh, they just can't take the heat.

I toured Arizona in 2007 and 2009 and loved it, actually. The politics is a little out there, yeah, but the natural beauty was unparalleled and the people actually quite friendly. North Dakota would be horrible weather and horrible politics.

[TDAS04]

Fargo of course.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Phoenix (sane)

What the hell is sane about living in an oven ran by Joe Arpaio?

[Arturo Belano]

Definitely Fargo.