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« Reply #75 on: May 14, 2014, 06:02:01 PM »

Its been six days, so I am interrupting that as a no.

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« Reply #76 on: May 15, 2014, 12:51:37 AM »

I'm all for making sure places aren't trying to make outcasts of the homeless, but to say that locales can't make any type of restrictions at all on where a person can sleep just seems like it might be too much to ask. 
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« Reply #77 on: May 15, 2014, 05:07:30 AM »
« Edited: May 15, 2014, 05:13:49 AM by Senator Alfred F. Jones »

I'm all for making sure places aren't trying to make outcasts of the homeless, but to say that locales can't make any type of restrictions at all on where a person can sleep just seems like it might be too much to ask.  

I don't think they can sleep on private property,
And public does mean public, after all.
Perhaps this bill would incentivize
The common man to actually care
About and confront homelessness instead
Of banning feeding poor folks on the street.
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« Reply #78 on: May 15, 2014, 09:12:05 AM »

I'm all for making sure places aren't trying to make outcasts of the homeless, but to say that locales can't make any type of restrictions at all on where a person can sleep just seems like it might be too much to ask.  

I don't think they can sleep on private property,
And public does mean public, after all.
Perhaps this bill would incentivize
The common man to actually care
About and confront homelessness instead
Of banning feeding poor folks on the street.

I vaguely recall you saying you wouldn't do this during reelection..
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« Reply #79 on: May 15, 2014, 10:00:58 AM »

I'm all for making sure places aren't trying to make outcasts of the homeless, but to say that locales can't make any type of restrictions at all on where a person can sleep just seems like it might be too much to ask.  

I don't think they can sleep on private property,
And public does mean public, after all.
Perhaps this bill would incentivize
The common man to actually care
About and confront homelessness instead
Of banning feeding poor folks on the street.

and perhaps more public property being privatized as well.
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« Reply #80 on: May 15, 2014, 02:10:09 PM »

I'm all for making sure places aren't trying to make outcasts of the homeless, but to say that locales can't make any type of restrictions at all on where a person can sleep just seems like it might be too much to ask.  

I don't think they can sleep on private property,
And public does mean public, after all.
Perhaps this bill would incentivize
The common man to actually care
About and confront homelessness instead
Of banning feeding poor folks on the street.

I vaguely recall you saying you wouldn't do this during reelection..

Shh...
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« Reply #81 on: May 16, 2014, 02:48:14 AM »


Sorry, I missed this. Tongue Can we get an updated version of the current text of the bill, then?
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« Reply #82 on: May 16, 2014, 10:39:37 AM »

I think the current text is this:

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Also, I was looking through the wiki, and came across this act, is this in any way relevant?

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« Reply #83 on: May 16, 2014, 05:04:03 PM »

I'm all for section 2 again, but I am not a supporter of prohibiting places from restricting who can sleep where. We can certainly invest in public housing to lessen homelessness, and I also support that, but that's about where I stand at the moment.

Places that want to keep their streets safe and clean is a matter of public safety, and is something we should be promoting, not the other way around. If we put a law like this on the books, it not only ties regions and municipalities from keeping their people safe, it will hurt our economy because people will no longer visit shops, restaurants and the like.

For example, in Chapel Hill, a place I have spent plenty of time in, they passed a law much like this one and it nearly killed the downtown area because people couldn't go anywhere without being heckled and asked for money, drugs, booze, you name it. If it was like that nationwide, look out, and that isn't something I will support.
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« Reply #84 on: May 16, 2014, 08:17:39 PM »

What do you guys think about something like this? I want to hear your thoughts before I officially offer it.

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« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2014, 12:12:39 AM »

interesting proposal.  does this mean someone must be allowed to camp out on Abe Lincoln's lap?
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« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2014, 10:09:58 AM »

interesting proposal.  does this mean someone must be allowed to camp out on Abe Lincoln's lap?

Wouldn't the underlying legislation have the same effect anyway?
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« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2014, 10:11:07 AM »

I must point out that in Lincoln's day it wasn't uncommon to find visitor to the White House sleeping in the hallways in various parts of the mansion. Wink
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« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2014, 10:41:49 AM »

Amendment is hostile.
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« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2014, 11:00:35 AM »

No amendment has been offered as of yet. But knowing will help if he offers it as is.
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« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2014, 03:04:38 PM »

I think this is very much a pornography style issue. It's very difficult to define harassment of homeless people, but we know it when we see it.

One thing I think I've personally made very clear, and I think it's a view shared by everyone here, is that everyone in atlasia should, if they want to, have access to a home. But atlasia is not america. I think, given the work of the federal government, and of regions like the south and northeast, everyone does have some sort of access to housing, and that changes the calculus.

I'm not really sure at the moment how to resolve this, but it is a thorny issue.
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« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2014, 04:29:07 PM »

interesting proposal.  does this mean someone must be allowed to camp out on Abe Lincoln's lap?

Wouldn't the underlying legislation have the same effect anyway?

Yes, but I hadn't thought of that example otherwise.

I must point out that in Lincoln's day it wasn't uncommon to find visitor to the White House sleeping in the hallways in various parts of the mansion. Wink

I can't say I'm against that.  However, my Senate office must remain sacrosanct.
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« Reply #92 on: May 17, 2014, 09:11:36 PM »

interesting proposal.  does this mean someone must be allowed to camp out on Abe Lincoln's lap?

Wouldn't the underlying legislation have the same effect anyway?

Yes, but I hadn't thought of that example otherwise.

I must point out that in Lincoln's day it wasn't uncommon to find visitor to the White House sleeping in the hallways in various parts of the mansion. Wink

I can't say I'm against that.  However, my Senate office must remain sacrosanct.

My office was already filled with homeless people. I give them food and they give me blowjobs and cocaine - it's a little gentlemen's agreement of ours.
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« Reply #93 on: May 18, 2014, 05:01:29 PM »

interesting proposal.  does this mean someone must be allowed to camp out on Abe Lincoln's lap?

Wouldn't the underlying legislation have the same effect anyway?

Yes, but I hadn't thought of that example otherwise.

I must point out that in Lincoln's day it wasn't uncommon to find visitor to the White House sleeping in the hallways in various parts of the mansion. Wink

I can't say I'm against that.  However, my Senate office must remain sacrosanct.

My office was already filled with homeless people. I give them food and they give me blowjobs and cocaine - it's a little gentlemen's agreement of ours.

Must be cramped in that tool shed. Tongue
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« Reply #94 on: May 18, 2014, 05:19:48 PM »

Okay, I"l go ahead and officially offer the amendment:

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« Reply #95 on: May 18, 2014, 10:12:51 PM »

interesting proposal.  does this mean someone must be allowed to camp out on Abe Lincoln's lap?

Wouldn't the underlying legislation have the same effect anyway?

Yes, but I hadn't thought of that example otherwise.

I must point out that in Lincoln's day it wasn't uncommon to find visitor to the White House sleeping in the hallways in various parts of the mansion. Wink

I can't say I'm against that.  However, my Senate office must remain sacrosanct.

My office was already filled with homeless people. I give them food and they give me blowjobs and cocaine - it's a little gentlemen's agreement of ours.

Must be cramped in that tool shed. Tongue

Oh, it is - I have to sleep on top of Marcus every night and his bones keep poking into my mattress Sad.
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« Reply #96 on: May 19, 2014, 03:08:09 PM »

Still two hours to go before I can start the vote on that amendment.
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« Reply #97 on: May 20, 2014, 03:18:56 PM »

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« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2014, 03:33:50 PM »

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« Reply #99 on: May 20, 2014, 04:10:36 PM »

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