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« Reply #100 on: May 20, 2014, 07:01:03 PM »

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« Reply #101 on: May 21, 2014, 08:30:00 AM »

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« Reply #102 on: May 21, 2014, 08:34:41 AM »

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« Reply #103 on: May 21, 2014, 09:52:27 AM »

Nay

But I think this touches on one of the major game reform issues facing us today. It's virtually impossible to tell what counts as a federal or as a regional issue.
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« Reply #104 on: May 21, 2014, 10:33:18 AM »

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« Reply #105 on: May 21, 2014, 12:21:33 PM »

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« Reply #106 on: May 21, 2014, 06:14:37 PM »

But I think this touches on one of the major game reform issues facing us today. It's virtually impossible to tell what counts as a federal or as a regional issue.

Our side would probably say that is because the Feds have take over so much of what the Regions should be doing. Tongue
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« Reply #107 on: May 21, 2014, 07:34:42 PM »

Nay - public is public, and that applies to regions as well.
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« Reply #108 on: May 22, 2014, 10:18:50 AM »

But I think this touches on one of the major game reform issues facing us today. It's virtually impossible to tell what counts as a federal or as a regional issue.

Our side would probably say that is because the Feds have take over so much of what the Regions should be doing. Tongue

The Regions should be doing nothing because the Regions should not exist.
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« Reply #109 on: May 22, 2014, 11:14:07 AM »

But I think this touches on one of the major game reform issues facing us today. It's virtually impossible to tell what counts as a federal or as a regional issue.

Our side would probably say that is because the Feds have take over so much of what the Regions should be doing. Tongue

Well your side might say that, but that answer exactly what the regions should be doing.
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« Reply #110 on: May 22, 2014, 07:21:43 PM »

But I think this touches on one of the major game reform issues facing us today. It's virtually impossible to tell what counts as a federal or as a regional issue.

Our side would probably say that is because the Feds have take over so much of what the Regions should be doing. Tongue

Well your side might say that, but that answer exactly what the regions should be doing.

At this point, the best approach would be divide up areas of responsbility and then have a limited federal reboot in those areas. I am fully willing to have a discussion on which ones that should be in particular. Certainly regulations of the public space should be considered as close to locally as possible here so thingsl ike this or the smoking bans  would count.
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« Reply #111 on: May 22, 2014, 07:22:33 PM »

But I think this touches on one of the major game reform issues facing us today. It's virtually impossible to tell what counts as a federal or as a regional issue.

Our side would probably say that is because the Feds have take over so much of what the Regions should be doing. Tongue

The Regions should be doing nothing because the Regions should not exist.

Ah, no.   Tongue
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« Reply #112 on: May 22, 2014, 07:24:25 PM »

Nay - public is public, and that applies to regions as well.

Yes and a community that is built on tourism should be able to make decisions for themselves on that regard and differently from one that isn't. I highlight doubt a simple majority in Nyman can best tell them how their public space is to be regulated when we don't have to consider their economic needs for one as well as others.
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« Reply #113 on: May 22, 2014, 07:52:13 PM »

But I think this touches on one of the major game reform issues facing us today. It's virtually impossible to tell what counts as a federal or as a regional issue.

Our side would probably say that is because the Feds have take over so much of what the Regions should be doing. Tongue

Well your side might say that, but that answer exactly what the regions should be doing.

At this point, the best approach would be divide up areas of responsbility and then have a limited federal reboot in those areas. I am fully willing to have a discussion on which ones that should be in particular. Certainly regulations of the public space should be considered as close to locally as possible here so thingsl ike this or the smoking bans  would count.

I'm certainly willing to work with you to get something like that done. Would this need to be a constitutional amendment, because I know some of the regional/federal divide are specifically written in the constitution?
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« Reply #114 on: May 23, 2014, 05:12:43 AM »

Nay - public is public, and that applies to regions as well.

Yes and a community that is built on tourism should be able to make decisions for themselves on that regard and differently from one that isn't. I highlight doubt a simple majority in Nyman can best tell them how their public space is to be regulated when we don't have to consider their economic needs for one as well as others.

Call me crazy, but I think you shouldn't be banned from a certain place because your needs are less important than other people's wants.
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« Reply #115 on: May 23, 2014, 08:15:13 AM »

Nay

Nay - public is public, and that applies to regions as well.

Yes and a community that is built on tourism should be able to make decisions for themselves on that regard and differently from one that isn't. I highlight doubt a simple majority in Nyman can best tell them how their public space is to be regulated when we don't have to consider their economic needs for one as well as others.

Call me crazy, but I think you shouldn't be banned from a certain place because your needs are less important than other people's wants.

Indeed.
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« Reply #116 on: May 23, 2014, 04:05:47 PM »

Vote on the Amendment 61:25 by Goldwater:

Aye (5): shua, Yankee, Goldwater, DC, and Lumine
Nay (5): TNF, Alfred, bore, Griffin, and Tyrion
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« Reply #117 on: May 23, 2014, 05:32:46 PM »

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« Reply #118 on: May 23, 2014, 07:12:34 PM »
« Edited: May 23, 2014, 07:16:39 PM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

Nay - public is public, and that applies to regions as well.

Yes and a community that is built on tourism should be able to make decisions for themselves on that regard and differently from one that isn't. I highlight doubt a simple majority in Nyman can best tell them how their public space is to be regulated when we don't have to consider their economic needs for one as well as others.

Call me crazy, but I think you shouldn't be banned from a certain place because your needs are less important than other people's wants.

Indeed.
Even if what you define as a want is a multi-billion dollar industry that employs thousands of people? Roll Eyes Sounds like a great way to create more homeless people if you ask me. Why are we forcing communities to have to eat a loss of money and jobs potentially, when two of our regions are now providing for this problem in a far more effective manner and another section of this bill further facilitates that effort. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #119 on: May 23, 2014, 07:20:05 PM »

And Tyrion, refresh my memory, did you or did you not vote in favor of instituting a federal ban on communities enacting smoking bans when TNF pushed for that a few months ago? If so, where was the concern about putting people's wants ahead of other people's needs then? Tongue
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« Reply #120 on: May 23, 2014, 08:50:47 PM »

Nay - public is public, and that applies to regions as well.

Yes and a community that is built on tourism should be able to make decisions for themselves on that regard and differently from one that isn't. I highlight doubt a simple majority in Nyman can best tell them how their public space is to be regulated when we don't have to consider their economic needs for one as well as others.

Call me crazy, but I think you shouldn't be banned from a certain place because your needs are less important than other people's wants.

Indeed.
Even if what you define as a want is a multi-billion dollar industry that employs thousands of people? Roll Eyes Sounds like a great way to create more homeless people if you ask me. Why are we forcing communities to have to eat a loss of money and jobs potentially, when two of our regions are now providing for this problem in a far more effective manner and another section of this bill further facilitates that effort. Roll Eyes

Are those regions giving the homeless free housing? Because I support the eradication of homelessness; I'm just saying we should be nice to them as we work towards that goal.
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« Reply #121 on: May 23, 2014, 09:09:47 PM »

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=191204.0
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« Reply #122 on: May 23, 2014, 09:11:20 PM »

Why should my region have to sacrifice its tourism industry when we are taking care of the homeless by actually giving them an apartment which is better than a national park and/or beach? Tongue
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« Reply #123 on: May 23, 2014, 09:14:17 PM »

Why should my region have to sacrifice its tourism industry when we are taking care of the homeless by actually giving them an apartment which is better than a national park and/or beach? Tongue

When did I say they shouldn't have an apartment? Wink See, I can type a semicolon, too.
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« Reply #124 on: May 24, 2014, 07:31:08 AM »

That is not what this bill does. It requires us in the IDS to turn our parks into Hoovervilles eventhough we are already providing apartments.

It doesn't matter whether there is a semicolon or not, Alfred.
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