Is this the worst post in the history of Atlas?

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I'd argue Adam FitzGerald's Rainbow Dash>Bill Clinton post is worse, but as far as absolutely offensive stuff goes, this is #2.

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I'd say Bushie's post about Sox fans feeling entitled to a World Series because of the Boston Bombings was more disgusting, but that might be my personal bias talking.

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If stupidity was covered under the TOS, this forum would be decimated.

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Please let me clarify my statement.  If a woman becomes pregnant as a result of rape, then allowing her to have an abortion sends the message to her rapist that he bears no responsibility or consequence for abusing and impregnating her.  If the woman doesn't want the baby, then she should give it up for adoption and get the rapist out of her life.  And since many rapes go unreported, it's possible the rapist won't even face criminal charges.  So when the woman fails to report the rape, becomes pregnant, and has an abortion, then the rapist goes free while the woman is scarred for life.  It's not fair and it's not right, and it is, very simply, an exploitation of women.

Stop. Just stop now. You are digging yourself deeper.

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I'm not disapproving with putting King under mod review (I'm not part of the Lief crowd), I'm disapproving Oldies not being under mod review.

= there have been 2 legitimate reported posts of his (I'm excluding the general, "Oldiesfreak is banned from posting in __X__ mine thread", which I don't honor

Just throwing this out there, nothing to get offended about...

How are Oldies' posts in the Deluge/GPG different from NewYorkExpress's Off-Topic spam? I don't see a difference between the two, besides the fact that Oldies limits his minespam to two threads.

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I'm not disapproving with putting King under mod review (I'm not part of the Lief crowd), I'm disapproving Oldies not being under mod review.

= there have been 2 legitimate reported posts of his (I'm excluding the general, "Oldiesfreak is banned from posting in __X__ mine thread", which I don't honor

Just throwing this out there, nothing to get offended about...

How are Oldies' posts in the Deluge/GPG different from NewYorkExpress's Off-Topic spam? I don't see a difference between the two, besides the fact that Oldies limits his minespam to two threads.

I don't like getting into second-guessing what someone thinks is a "good" or "bad" post; that's not my job, and while you could make a good trolling argument for a lot of the reports, doing so would generally lead to a lot of drama and debate that I'd just rather avoid, and it's a lot harder to prove that someone legitimately doesn't think something is a "good" or "bad" post.  NYE's off-topic spam clogs up a whole board; you can easily just skim past Oldiesfreak's posts in those posts.  I use the same standard for when there was the no BRTD rule for whatever goldmine it was (comedy, maybe?).  That being said, most of the spam from NYE is on Torie's board now, so why he does or doesn't delete it is a question for him.

IIRC you have jurisdiction on OT too, and you can just click Page 2 to get to NewYorkExpress's posts. I understand and even applaud the fact that you don't delete subjectively good or bad posts in your forum. However, there are some posts that Oldies deluged, like these ones over the past few months, that are objectively bad. Many people from all sides of the spectrum, from the unapologetic conservatives like RogueBeaver to the resident Marxists like TNF and Snowstalker, have spoken out at his Delugings, so I'm fairly sure it's not just a partisan witch hunt of a poster we don't agree with. Mainly, I (and I'm sure the rest can speak) have a problem with the fact that he puts clearly sarcastic posts, and generally posting things that defy facts. Your argument would be a good argument if he wasn't deluging tongue-in-cheek posts or inaccurate posts.

In fact, talking about not deleting his GPG-spam because it's different from "good" or "bad" is totally irrelevant due to content. Out of my year or so that I've been on Atlas Forum, I have never seen Oldies post something into the GPG that actually fit the definition. However, the issue isn't whether a post is good or bad, it's just that he's posting it in the wrong place. It's well-established that the GPG is for effort-posts with a lot of thought put into them, and it's well-established that the Simple Truths mine is for short, to-the-point posts that are objectively right. Multiple people have directed him to the Simple Truths mine, and he, for some reason, refuses to post in them. I at least consider that spam, and were he a moderator, I would have moved each individual post there, if not given him a small infraction.

I'm not asking for a lot, Inks. I'm not squawking about how you shouldn't be a moderator, and I'm surely not asking for a ban on either of these two. In fact, I've tried to guide Oldiesfreak before reporting his Deluges, unlike a few people who called for NYE's head as soon as they got sick of OT getting clogged up. I'm asking for consistent moderation, and applying different rules for posters and essentially saying that a board where you have partial jurisdiction on isn't your problem isn't consistent at all.

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It's not a matter of subjectivity with Oldies, though. As far as the GPG goes, it's not a matter of the post's value, but where he is posting them. I have no qualms with him posting the type of stuff he posts in the Silver Mine. However, multiple people post in the GPG, but he doesn't.

As far as the Deluge goes, it's either denying facts or not getting sarcasm. It's an established fact that Carter appointed Volcker, who ended stagflation, not Reagan. It's a fact that PPP is considered more accurate than Rasmussen. And, it's a fact that Al Franken won the election fair and square. A solid half of those posts that I linked to aren't debatable. They aren't subjective. They're straight up misconceptions on Oldies' part.

I was about to make a "Let's talk about Oldiesfreak" thread a few months ago about this, but then I was too much of a softie to create one. My view on the whole moderation argument is that as long as Dave Leip assigns you to a board, you have a responsibility to us to moderate that board until he moves you off. You can't just "give up in all but name only". You're there until you're off, and you have a responsibility to enforce consistent terms of service. If someone's cluttering Atlas like Oldies occasionally has (and NYE still does), you delete them, no matter how big or small the scale is. I'd love for Torie to weigh in on this situation, because he's different about it, but you two definitely aren't on the same page when it comes to spam.

Interesting, but it has nothing to do with that sickening rape post (which are worse than Link and domestic violence).

It really has nothing to do with his comments on rape. I'm just saying, since Inks brought up the fact that he doesn't consider him cluttering the Deluge infractable, I felt like I should put my two cents in on why it is. I'm just saying, if NYE's topics that only he finds interesting enough are considered "spam", then Oldies' posts about what only he thinks is good or bad should be spam too.

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My view on the whole moderation argument is that as long as Dave Leip assigns you to a board, you have a responsibility to us to moderate that board until he moves you off.

Well, probably at least a third (half?) of Atlas mods either don't moderate anymore, or go through long stretches of time without moderating.  Heck, Lunar is still a moderator of Individual Politics, though he hasn't posted since 2011 (and attempted to resign his position back then).

Folks have tried to resign many times, only to see Dave ignore their emails, so expecting them to keep at it indefinitely seems like a big ask.

I got you. If it's more of Leip not having the time to remove people then I'm fine with that.

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It's not a matter of subjectivity with Oldies, though. As far as the GPG goes, it's not a matter of the post's value, but where he is posting them. I have no qualms with him posting the type of stuff he posts in the Silver Mine. However, multiple people post in the GPG, but he doesn't.

As far as the Deluge goes, it's either denying facts or not getting sarcasm. It's an established fact that Carter appointed Volcker, who ended stagflation, not Reagan. It's a fact that PPP is considered more accurate than Rasmussen. And, it's a fact that Al Franken won the election fair and square. A solid half of those posts that I linked to aren't debatable. They aren't subjective. They're straight up misconceptions on Oldies' part.

I was about to make a "Let's talk about Oldiesfreak" thread a few months ago about this, but then I was too much of a softie to create one. My view on the whole moderation argument is that as long as Dave Leip assigns you to a board, you have a responsibility to us to moderate that board until he moves you off. You can't just "give up in all but name only". You're there until you're off, and you have a responsibility to enforce consistent terms of service. If someone's cluttering Atlas like Oldies occasionally has (and NYE still does), you delete them, no matter how big or small the scale is. I'd love for Torie to weigh in on this situation, because he's different about it, but you two definitely aren't on the same page when it comes to spam.

There are a lot of factors into what ended stagflation, and the some argue that Volcker's actions worsened stagflation in the late 1970s.  There's at least an argument that Franken didn't win the election fair-and-square (not one that I agree with, but the argument is there).

I don't find the lack of ability to sense sarcasm as worthy of infracting something.  I'm not sure why you find the Koch brothers one to be trolling.  None of those posts referenced PPP, and again, while I disagree with his labeling of the Rasmussen posts as bad, it's not so severe that I think it deserves second-guessing.

I never said I wanted Oldies to be infracted. At that point I thought he was antagonizing the forum liberals, but apparently I see now that that isn't the case. I'm just saying, it may not be infract-worthy, but it definitely should be deleted.

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And I don't have a responsibility to moderate anything.  It's a volunteer position.  As long as the board has an active moderator, I don't see a need to do anything.  If someone posted something that needed to go ASAP, I'd remove it, but otherwise, I see no problem in leaving the board to Torie.  That's what Torie wants, and that's what I want.

I already dropped that point as soon as Morden clarified it and said that I was fine with you taking a leave. No need.

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It's not a matter of subjectivity with Oldies, though. As far as the GPG goes, it's not a matter of the post's value, but where he is posting them. I have no qualms with him posting the type of stuff he posts in the Silver Mine. However, multiple people post in the GPG, but he doesn't.

As far as the Deluge goes, it's either denying facts or not getting sarcasm. It's an established fact that Carter appointed Volcker, who ended stagflation, not Reagan. It's a fact that PPP is considered more accurate than Rasmussen. And, it's a fact that Al Franken won the election fair and square. A solid half of those posts that I linked to aren't debatable. They aren't subjective. They're straight up misconceptions on Oldies' part.

I was about to make a "Let's talk about Oldiesfreak" thread a few months ago about this, but then I was too much of a softie to create one. My view on the whole moderation argument is that as long as Dave Leip assigns you to a board, you have a responsibility to us to moderate that board until he moves you off. You can't just "give up in all but name only". You're there until you're off, and you have a responsibility to enforce consistent terms of service. If someone's cluttering Atlas like Oldies occasionally has (and NYE still does), you delete them, no matter how big or small the scale is. I'd love for Torie to weigh in on this situation, because he's different about it, but you two definitely aren't on the same page when it comes to spam.

There are a lot of factors into what ended stagflation, and the some argue that Volcker's actions worsened stagflation in the late 1970s.  There's at least an argument that Franken didn't win the election fair-and-square (not one that I agree with, but the argument is there).

I don't find the lack of ability to sense sarcasm as worthy of infracting something.  I'm not sure why you find the Koch brothers one to be trolling.  None of those posts referenced PPP, and again, while I disagree with his labeling of the Rasmussen posts as bad, it's not so severe that I think it deserves second-guessing.

I never said I wanted Oldies to be infracted. At that point I thought he was antagonizing the forum liberals, but apparently I see now that that isn't the case. I'm just saying, it may not be infract-worthy, but it definitely should be deleted.

So what makes something deletion-worthy but not infract-worthy to you?

The first instance of spam and thread clutter I saw after I helped him. Like I said, I've tried showing him what genuinely belongs there, and he's decided to not listen to that help. I have tried telling him which posts are bad.  I have been kind. I have been, admittedly, an ass at times. But at this point, I've given up, and I nearly made this appeal to you after my rant on Oldies in the Deluge, but I decided to wait it out. It hasn't ended.

Other posters have tried to get him to stop spamming. It hasn't worked. It's time for you to step in

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The first instance of spam and thread clutter I saw after I helped him. Like I said, I've tried showing him what genuinely belongs there, and he's decided to not listen to that help. I have tried telling him which posts are bad.  I have been kind. I have been, admittedly, an ass at times. But at this point, I've given up, and I nearly made this appeal to you after my rant on Oldies in the Deluge, but I decided to wait it out. It hasn't ended.

Other posters have tried to get him to stop spamming. It hasn't worked. It's time for you to step in

And I don't consider it spamming.  If I did, it'd be infract-worthy in my book.  But if there's an arguable point for the post to be there, which I think there is, I'm not going to do anything.

Which brings me to the main issue: the mod team isn't on the same page. We've already established you aren't responsible for NYE's threads being deleted, and if Torie isn't deleting NYE's posts, I am fine with you leaving his alone.

I eagerly await Torie's two cents on this situation.

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The mod team isn't on the same page on a lot of stuff, and quite honestly, NYE's thread creation and Oldiesfreaks's posts in the mines are probably not even in the top 10 of "important" issues.

Well, how about the aformentioned post, the one this thread is about? Shouldn't it at least be infracted or deleted?

I personally don't see an issue with it. It's most definitely immoral and disgusting but having disgusting opinions isn't infract-worthy. This definitely isn't anywhere near Link's borderline sociopathy to me. It's just something you'd hear the average socon zealot say.

I just brought up the mine spam because Inks said that it wasn't spam.

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The mod team isn't on the same page on a lot of stuff, and quite honestly, NYE's thread creation and Oldiesfreaks's posts in the mines are probably not even in the top 10 of "important" issues.

Well, how about the aformentioned post, the one this thread is about? Shouldn't it at least be infracted or deleted?

I've already given my thoughts on that post somewhere in this thread.  I don't care to go through it all again, so if you can't find it here, I know it's within the first page of my recent posts in my profile.

IIRC it was somewhere on the Atlas board itself.

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Do you guys honestly want the moderators to curate the GPG and similar threads? That strikes me as an awful idea.

I'm not advocating that at all. I just don't see why NewYorkExpress is being infracted while Oldies isn't for (essentially) the same thing. And since apparently Torie's the one who's doing the deleting in that case, I'd like to see his point of view on it.

I don't know about you all, but I just want consistent moderation. Either infract both or don't infract either of them. It's all I'm asking.

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Do you guys honestly want the moderators to curate the GPG and similar threads? That strikes me as an awful idea.

I'm not advocating that at all. I just don't see why NewYorkExpress is being infracted while Oldies isn't for (essentially) the same thing. And since apparently Torie's the one who's doing the deleting in that case, I'd like to see his point of view on it.

I don't know about you all, but I just want consistent moderation. Either infract both or don't infract either of them. It's all I'm asking.

Doing the deleting in what case?

In the case of NewYorkExpress's threads on OT. I'm assuming it's you, considering Inks has resigned (in all but name only) as an OT mod and Mikado is barely active. Since apparently Inks has stated his case, I'd like to hear your point of view on how similar Oldies' mine spam here is to NYE's thread spam on OT.