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  Which Democrat is more competitive against Rick Scott?
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« on: April 22, 2014, 06:19:48 PM »

I'm starting to think Crist's strength may have been overestimated a bit... though I'm probably only saying that because Scott is catching up in the polls.  I still think he probably has a better shot than Rich, but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2014, 06:44:40 PM »

Crist is the objectively correct answer.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 07:20:01 PM »

Crist may only lead by 7, but check the same polls, Rich trails by 8. A 15 point gap is nothing to shrug about.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2014, 07:26:47 PM »

Well roughly 85% still don't know enough about Nan Rich to vote for her, but if she did pull an upset in the primary, while she's not as well-funded, she would still do better among her liberal base and should still be able to win indies against a criminal, so she would win. Crist despite a lot of aggression, everyone knows who he is most lefties will just bite their tongue and vote for him anyways over the Green candidate. He's off to a terrible start, though he would have the better chance of dethroning the now "pro-Medicaid", anti-computer, voting purger. Pick your flip-flopper.

Despite his fiscal conservatism and terrible stances on immigration, guns and separation of church and state, I know I would vote for him. Not in the primary of course, but for the general, hey, he's the best Florida's going to get for now and he'll at least be term-limited again after another 4 years.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 07:39:21 PM »

Well roughly 85% still don't know enough about Nan Rich to vote for her, but if she did pull an upset in the primary, while she's not as well-funded, she would still do better among her liberal base and should still be able to win indies against a criminal, so she would win. Crist despite a lot of aggression, everyone knows who he is most lefties will just bite their tongue and vote for him anyways over the Green candidate. He's off to a terrible start, though he would have the better chance of dethroning the now "pro-Medicaid", anti-computer, voting purger. Pick your flip-flopper.

Despite his fiscal conservatism and terrible stances on immigration, guns and separation of church and state, I know I would vote for him. Not in the primary of course, but for the general, hey, he's the best Florida's going to get for now and he'll at least be term-limited again after another 4 years.

So many things wrong with this - first, of course, is that Crist can run for re-election in 2018. Florida law limits one to two consecutive gubernatorial terms. But to get to the main point - people don't know Nan Rich. They sure as hell know Rick Scott. And yet, despite all the allegations of being a criminal, he's still crushing Rich. Rich simply doesn't have the money, name recognition, or political skill to go against Scott and expect to win. At this point, Crist is our only hope.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2014, 09:05:16 PM »

Well roughly 85% still don't know enough about Nan Rich to vote for her, but if she did pull an upset in the primary, while she's not as well-funded, she would still do better among her liberal base and should still be able to win indies against a criminal, so she would win. Crist despite a lot of aggression, everyone knows who he is most lefties will just bite their tongue and vote for him anyways over the Green candidate. He's off to a terrible start, though he would have the better chance of dethroning the now "pro-Medicaid", anti-computer, voting purger. Pick your flip-flopper.

Despite his fiscal conservatism and terrible stances on immigration, guns and separation of church and state, I know I would vote for him. Not in the primary of course, but for the general, hey, he's the best Florida's going to get for now and he'll at least be term-limited again after another 4 years.

So many things wrong with this - first, of course, is that Crist can run for re-election in 2018. Florida law limits one to two consecutive gubernatorial terms. But to get to the main point - people don't know Nan Rich. They sure as hell know Rick Scott. And yet, despite all the allegations of being a criminal, he's still crushing Rich. Rich simply doesn't have the money, name recognition, or political skill to go against Scott and expect to win. At this point, Crist is our only hope.
I covered most of what you said already in bold. I was stunned myself when I looked at the last Quinnipiac survey with her polled and showed nearly 9 in 10 Floridians didn't know anything about her. Rich was polling in the mid to low 30s while Scott had a ceiling of about 40-41. If we just take the last Quinnipiac poll since it's the most recent and most reliable, Scott only led Rich 41-37 and that's with 19% of FL Democrats who were undecided or wouldn't vote and low #'s of Republican undecided's. Given, most of those Dem undecided would go to Rich and she's a bit of a turnoff as is for moderates given she's the most liberal candidate out of all of them.

Like Crist/Scott, it's a simple pick of Floridians of "the worst of the 2" and who you guys would rather have as your Governor. Scott's recent small success with his Lt. Governor pick or his high fundraising numbers are the only things going good for him so far. He's vulnerable against Rich or Crist, but I think we can all agree that Crist has a better chance.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2014, 09:06:18 PM »

why is this a question
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2014, 09:07:11 PM »

Most important thing is Crist can raise big $$$ which he needs against Scott and also he has name recognition as well.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2014, 09:10:31 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2014, 09:11:20 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2014, 09:16:17 PM »

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The standard by which Democratic candidates are now ordained.

Republican primaries are magnitudes more competitive these days than Democratic ones. Do you know about this thing called the Tea Party? A primary is literally all that most Republican politicians are afraid of these days; they're certainly not afraid of general elections, because they would otherwise not say half of the crazy stuff that they do. Which leads into what is offered when the first quote is questioned:

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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2014, 09:19:23 PM »

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The standard by which Democratic candidates are now ordained.

Republican primaries are magnitudes more competitive these days than Democratic ones. Do you know about this thing called the Tea Party? A primary is literally all that most Republican politicians are afraid of these days; they're certainly not afraid of general elections, because they would otherwise not say half of the crazy stuff that they do. Which leads into what is offered when the first quote is questioned:

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Tea Partiers that aren't backed by big money astroturf groups or by their own self funding go nowhere.
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2014, 09:28:24 PM »

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The standard by which Democratic candidates are now ordained.

Republican primaries are magnitudes more competitive these days than Democratic ones. Do you know about this thing called the Tea Party? A primary is literally all that most Republican politicians are afraid of these days; they're certainly not afraid of general elections, because they would otherwise not say half of the crazy stuff that they do. Which leads into what is offered when the first quote is questioned:

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Tea Partiers that aren't backed by big money astroturf groups or by their own self funding go nowhere.

Yet up until they are defeated, we tend to see far more support from the Republican primary electorate for these underfunded sorts than we do in Democratic primaries for their equivalents. My original point is that the Democratic electorate is far more self-defeating in this regard. It's why we continue to be dragged to the right along with the Republicans.
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2014, 09:32:15 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2014, 10:18:10 PM »

Honestly, I like Charlie Crist as a politician; even with the flip-flopping, he's got an interesting style. Plus, whether or not his changes are genuine, I think he's stuck with them in this day and age.
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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2014, 12:30:39 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2014, 12:06:43 PM »

To whoever is complaining about the term limits law in Florida:

Crist is ALLOWED to run again (if he wins in 2014) to get a 3rd term in 2018.

Florida governor have to sit out 4 years before being eligible again to seek the governorship again after a 4-year respite.
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