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Meursault
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« on: June 05, 2014, 09:46:25 PM »
And was, actually, superior to quite  a few of them until his "conservative turn" in the late 1920s.

My biggest problem with Mussolini was his clampdown on his socialist ex-comrades. I realize he had to sell himself as an anti-socialist to secure his appointment, but once King Emmanuel did so, he had the latitude to be much more socialistic than he ended up being.
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 09:58:56 PM »
Also, had he not given Hitler his permission for the Anschluss, it's possible he'd have thrown in with the Allies in World War II, provided he worked out the Mediterranean issues between England and Italy.

Really, he did only two unforgivable things: invade Ethiopia and begin co-operating in the Holocaust. And this latter was avoidable - Fascism was not anti-Semitic itself (there were prominent Jewish-Itallian Fascists), but Hitler pressured him into it.
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2014, 11:35:57 PM »
He was responsible for fewer deaths within Italy than Jackson and the Indian War Republicans were of Native Americans.
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2014, 11:52:00 PM »
The sage is strong here
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2014, 12:49:20 AM »
« Edited: June 06, 2014, 12:51:44 AM by Le pile »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_concentration_camps_in_Libya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War#Atrocities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_in_Italy#Jews_during_the_Fascist_era

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rab_concentration_camp
I think those links speak for themselves.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 12:58:48 AM »
I've already said that the Abyssinian War and his eventual surrender to Germany on racial issues were black marks against him.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 01:06:44 AM »
Quote from: Meursault on June 06, 2014, 12:58:48 AM
I've already said that the Abyssinian War and his eventual surrender to Germany on racial issues were black marks against him.
I don't contest that; I just think that those black marks override any other achievements that he made. I apply the same standard to guys like Stalin and Diaz: they may have had major successes, but mass murders are by definition bad rulers.
While you obviously have a different and logically equal perspective, I think you may be a but lonely in that regard.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 03:23:29 AM »
AT LEAST TEH TRAINS RAN ON TIME!
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 03:49:46 AM »

Sigh, I wanted to be the first to say that. Sad
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2014, 07:45:55 AM »
Quote from: Antonio V on June 06, 2014, 03:49:46 AM

Sigh, I wanted to be the first to say that. Sad

In a time of chaos, Mussolini offered the world ORDER! Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2014, 10:58:22 AM »
Quote from: M. Bison on June 06, 2014, 07:45:55 AM
Quote from: Antonio V on June 06, 2014, 03:49:46 AM

Sigh, I wanted to be the first to say that. Sad

In a time of chaos, Mussolini offered the world ORDER! Tongue

Kneel!
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2014, 01:08:36 PM »
Opinion: General Zod was no worse than some of the crappier DC superheroes
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2014, 02:02:28 PM »
Opinion: King Zog of the Albanians was no worse than Zogby polls.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2014, 04:27:08 PM »
I think in time Einzige and Snowstalker are going to become quite the force around here.  Not that I have a problem with that, as both of them are wonderfully entertaining and aren't anywhere in the vicinity of "the box". 
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2014, 04:43:59 PM »
Oh God, not a "The Nazis/Fascists did some good things" debate.  Take it to Reddit.
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2014, 05:08:58 PM »
What is wrong with you.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2014, 05:46:48 PM »
« Edited: June 06, 2014, 05:50:34 PM by politicus »
Quote from: Abdul the Red on June 06, 2014, 02:02:28 PM
Opinion: King Zog of the Albanians was no worse than Zogby polls.

But was he worse than Zorglub?
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2014, 06:14:33 PM »
I'll be impressed if you can separate the revanchist rhetoric that was at the core of fascism- and thus entailed "avenging Adwa"- from all the "good stuff" you seem to be alluding to.
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