Opinion of Indira Gandhi
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
March 28, 2024, 05:48:32 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  Individual Politics (Moderator: The Dowager Mod)
  Opinion of Indira Gandhi
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: ...
#1
FF
 
#2
HP
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 43

Author Topic: Opinion of Indira Gandhi  (Read 1307 times)
The world will shine with light in our nightmare
Just Passion Through
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,174
Norway


Political Matrix
E: -6.32, S: -7.48

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: April 22, 2014, 07:20:44 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indira_Gandhi
Logged
RogueBeaver
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,058
Canada
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2014, 07:25:35 PM »

Absolutely awful.
Logged
Atlas Has Shrugged
ChairmanSanchez
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 38,096
United States


Political Matrix
E: 5.29, S: -5.04


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 08:01:32 PM »

Logged
World politics is up Schmitt creek
Nathan
Moderators
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 34,248


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2014, 08:22:37 PM »

HP, but an HP who was good for it.
Logged
Sol
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,051
Bosnia and Herzegovina


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 08:48:51 PM »


What do you mean by that?
Logged
World politics is up Schmitt creek
Nathan
Moderators
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 34,248


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2014, 08:51:13 PM »


I wanted to leave that ambiguous (call it a once-in-a-long-while indulgence in self-conscious sagery if you must) but since you asked I meant that it's possible to hold a sort of grudging respect for her and understand why she acted as she did, even though the way she acted was godawful.
Logged
Sbane
sbane
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,303


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2014, 08:53:18 PM »

HP, easily.
Logged
Sol
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,051
Bosnia and Herzegovina


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2014, 08:54:21 PM »


I wanted to leave that ambiguous (call it a once-in-a-long-while indulgence in self-conscious sagery if you must) but since you asked I meant that it's possible to hold a sort of grudging respect for her and understand why she acted as she did, even though the way she acted was godawful.

Sorry for ruining your ambiguity. Sad
Logged
World politics is up Schmitt creek
Nathan
Moderators
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 34,248


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2014, 09:11:28 PM »


I wanted to leave that ambiguous (call it a once-in-a-long-while indulgence in self-conscious sagery if you must) but since you asked I meant that it's possible to hold a sort of grudging respect for her and understand why she acted as she did, even though the way she acted was godawful.

Sorry for ruining your ambiguity. Sad

It's okay. It was sort of pretentious ambiguity anyway.
Logged
Zioneer
PioneerProgress
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,451
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2014, 09:13:53 PM »

I don't know enough about her to fairly judge whether she was HP or not, but what little of Operation Blue Star I've read seems to make her an HP.
Logged
Sol
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,051
Bosnia and Herzegovina


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2014, 09:19:04 PM »

I don't know enough about her to fairly judge whether she was HP or not, but what little of Operation Blue Star I've read seems to make her an HP.

The main reason (at least for me) to vote HP for her is the whole emergency thing.
Logged
ElectionsGuy
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,107
United States


Political Matrix
E: 7.10, S: -7.65

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2014, 10:18:05 PM »

Logged
Хahar 🤔
Xahar
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,731
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2014, 10:52:19 PM »

Really undefinable in an FF/HP dichotomy.
Logged
Filuwaúrdjan
Realpolitik
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 67,609
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2014, 11:04:43 AM »

Kind of literally both. To such an extent that the question misses the point entirely.
Logged
World politics is up Schmitt creek
Nathan
Moderators
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 34,248


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2014, 12:52:38 PM »

Kind of literally both. To such an extent that the question misses the point entirely.

See also: Dev, Ataturk, countless others.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,959
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2014, 03:43:20 PM »

Yeah, judging her by the standards we generally use would probably make her a HP, but these standards don't really make any sense in context.
Logged
World politics is up Schmitt creek
Nathan
Moderators
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 34,248


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2014, 05:10:11 PM »

I'm thinking of making 'an HP who was good for it' my standard response to questions about such figures, honestly.
Logged
Gustaf
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 29,770


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2014, 05:36:48 PM »

My main impression comes from Midnight's Children so I'm a bit biased. Tongue
Logged
H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,406
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2014, 05:50:44 PM »

Kind of literally both. To such an extent that the question misses the point entirely.
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,663
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2014, 05:53:58 PM »

Yeah, judging her by the standards we generally use would probably make her a HP, but these standards don't really make any sense in context.

How was she not an HP in context?
Logged
TDAS04
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 23,463
Bhutan


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2014, 07:44:16 PM »

Kind of literally both. To such an extent that the question misses the point entirely.
Logged
Peter the Lefty
Peternerdman
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,506
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2014, 10:21:20 AM »

A disgrace to the values her father stood for.
Logged
politicus
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,174
Denmark


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2014, 10:29:35 AM »

Kind of literally both. To such an extent that the question misses the point entirely.

See also: Dev, Ataturk, countless others.

Atatürk was also a HP in his personal life and was behind the ethnic cleansing of the Syrian Hatay province in 1939, so he would be a clearer HP for me.

Voted HP for Indira Ghandi as well, but its a more complex case.
Logged
PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald
Mr. Pollo
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 788


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2014, 10:55:14 AM »

Kind of literally both. To such an extent that the question misses the point entirely.

See also: Dev, Ataturk, countless others.

Atatürk was also a HP in his personal life and was behind the ethnic cleansing of the Syrian Hatay province in 1939, so he would be a clearer HP for me.

Voted HP for Indira Ghandi as well, but its a more complex case.
On the other hand, his leadership helped save Turkey from becoming a colony and having much of it be ethnically cleansed.
Like Ataturk,  Indira was both and FF and an HP so the question doesn't really work out well. Of course, both being responsible for mass violence, I wouldn't want a beer with them.
Logged
politicus
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,174
Denmark


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2014, 05:09:20 PM »

Kind of literally both. To such an extent that the question misses the point entirely.

See also: Dev, Ataturk, countless others.

Atatürk was also a HP in his personal life and was behind the ethnic cleansing of the Syrian Hatay province in 1939, so he would be a clearer HP for me.

Voted HP for Indira Ghandi as well, but its a more complex case.
On the other hand, his leadership helped save Turkey from becoming a colony and having much of it be ethnically cleansed.
Like Ataturk,  Indira was both and FF and an HP so the question doesn't really work out well. Of course, both being responsible for mass violence, I wouldn't want a beer with them.

Its a great exaggeration that Turks would have been ethnically cleansed and the country turned into a colony if not for Ataturk. Its buying into the whole Turkish nationalist "saviour of the nation" myth.

Whether the common Turk would have been worse off in the long run if the country had complied with the Sevres treaty is an interesting question. I would tend to say no, but that is a question for the history board.

While Indira Gandhi did suppres democracy in a couple of years she also reinstated it and left office when she lost an election. Ataturk remained a tyrant to the end.

Many of the problems Turkey has today with the exaggerated economic and political power of the army and the secular/Islamic conflict stems directly from his rule. His nationalism also made it impossible to accommodate the legitimate aspirations of the Kurds as well as other minorities.

But mainly he waged a war on Turkish culture and society trying like all social engineers to transform Turkey into something it wasn't and in the process fx destroying the Turkish language and a great deal of its cultural traditions.

While Indira had her own aspirations of social engineering she did not go to such extremes.

Indira Gandhi also helped liberate Bangla Desh from West Pakistani oppression and while it obviously wasn't done for idealistic motives, that still but her on the side of freedom.

The amount of blood on her hands is nowhere near comparable to Ataturk, especially if you count per capita.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.059 seconds with 14 queries.