Libyan FM: Restoration of monarchy "only solution" to end instability

[Simfan34]

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http://magharebia.com/en_GB/articles/awi/features/2014/03/28/feature-03 and
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2014/04/libya-foreign-minister-interview-return-monarchy.html##ixzz30rvBQUZ7

Very encouraging news.

[Cassius]

Anyway, I didn't realise you were a monarchist Simfan?

[Simfan34]

Not knowing I'm a monarchist is the new not knowing I'm black.

[RogueBeaver]

Believe when seen, but

[Supersonic]

Ooh, very interesting!

[NewYorkExpress]

Unfortunately, that won't stop the terrorists who are terrorizing Libya, nor would an absolute monarchy, nor would flat out caving (because said terrorists would just demand something else)

[Vosem]

Constitutional monarchy would probably have been a better model for Afghanistan to adopt back in 2002 than the Karzai regime...when was the last time a new monarchy was established (or an abolished monarchy reestablished) somewhere?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Constitutional monarchy would probably have been a better model for Afghanistan to adopt back in 2002 than the Karzai regime...when was the last time a new monarchy was established (or an abolished monarchy reestablished) somewhere?

The short lived Central African Empire would be the last attempt I think.

[Simfan34]

Cambodia is latest revived monarchy.

That is correct, and before that Spain. Besides Bokassa I think the last proclaimed monarchy must have been... Albania under Zog?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Cambodia is latest revived monarchy.

That is correct, and before that Spain. Besides Bokassa I think the last proclaimed monarchy must have been... Albania under Zog?

Don't forget Sealand under Prince Roy, though that is extremely debatable.

[Indy Texas]

Constitutional monarchy would probably have been a better model for Afghanistan to adopt back in 2002 than the Karzai regime...when was the last time a new monarchy was established (or an abolished monarchy reestablished) somewhere?

I always felt like restoring the Afghan monarchy would have been a good idea. I think this would be, too, provided it is a liberal, constitutional monarchy rather than Saudi Arabia.

I read somewhere that Mohammed Zahir Shah had expressed interest in reclaiming his throne in Afghanistan, but Bush & Co nixed it because FREEDOM. And then he died a couple of years later.

[Хahar 🤔]

This thread is disgusting.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I don't think monarchy, especially constitutional monarchy, is an absolute evil or anything, but I don't know enough about the Libyan situation to know whether or not I think this is a good idea. What I will say is that I'm sort of surprised that nobody seems to have been considering this option before. Is there a single clear Senussi pretender?

[Simfan34]

I don't think monarchy, especially constitutional monarchy, is an absolute evil or anything, but I don't know enough about the Libyan situation to know whether or not I think this is a good idea. What I will say is that I'm sort of surprised that nobody seems to have been considering this option before. Is there a single clear Senussi pretender?

There was an Italian guy, a prince Idris, who comes of as a bit of a charlatan, who was stating his claim, but he's way far down the line and dropped it a year or two ago. Mohammed El Senussi is the pretender.

[RodPresident]

Close example of a healthy Islamic Constitutional Monarchy are Jordan and Morocco, although not so democratic.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

It would solve absolutely nothing. When Libya was a monarchy, Tripolitania and Fezzan were severely disadvantaged and neglected, because the ruling family was based (and therefore cared only about) in Cyrenaica (and when Gaddafi took power, it was Cyrenaica that was disadvantaged and neglected).

Restore the monarchy, it will result once again in deepening regional divisions. Libya needs a balanced policy, not a return to sectarianism.

And the monarchy wasn't so "stable" after all, since it took a couple of lightly armed lieutenants to get rid off the King in 1969.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

It likely is the case that the "solution" is to split up, but the problem is that the more populous half doesn't have as much of the oil resources.  So a split is only likely to happen when the oil is gone and there is not a disparate economic impact from a split, yet when that happens much of the tension that makes a split desirable will be gone as well.

[Simfan34]

It would solve absolutely nothing. When Libya was a monarchy, Tripolitania and Fezzan were severely disadvantaged and neglected, because the ruling family was based (and therefore cared only about) in Cyrenaica (and when Gaddafi took power, it was Cyrenaica that was disadvantaged and neglected).

Restore the monarchy, it will result once again in deepening regional divisions. Libya needs a balanced policy, not a return to sectarianism.

And the monarchy wasn't so "stable" after all, since it took a couple of lightly armed lieutenants to get rid off the King in 1969.

The idea that coups d'etat are indicative of public support or legitimacy must surely come as a relief to the Emperors of Brazil.

[Хahar 🤔]

It would solve absolutely nothing. When Libya was a monarchy, Tripolitania and Fezzan were severely disadvantaged and neglected, because the ruling family was based (and therefore cared only about) in Cyrenaica (and when Gaddafi took power, it was Cyrenaica that was disadvantaged and neglected).

Restore the monarchy, it will result once again in deepening regional divisions. Libya needs a balanced policy, not a return to sectarianism.

And the monarchy wasn't so "stable" after all, since it took a couple of lightly armed lieutenants to get rid off the King in 1969.

The idea that coup d'etats are indicative of public support or legitimacy must surely come as a relief to the Emperors of Brazil.

Not coups d'etat?

[windjammer]

Seriously, the kind of regime won't change anything.

[Simfan34]

GNC member: "All options" on the table, including monarchy

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/04/federalism-east-libya-debate-201442493215796441.html

Toumi, it seems, is from Tripoli. Seeing that pro-monarchy sentiment seems to be strongest in Cyrenaica (whence the Senussis hail) the fact that at least one legislator from Tripolitania is willing to discuss it is encouraging. At the very least, it is being seriously discussed. I am optimistic.

[Simfan34]

In Cyrenaica, at least, posters of the former King, Idris, were a common sight at protests, and of course the former (and now present) flag and national anthem of the monarchy. Of course this is no firm marker of monarchist sentiment but it is generally known to be present and strongest in that part of the country.

[Simfan34]

Libya calls for the Sufi mediation of Sanusiyya

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http://www.mediterraneanaffairs.com/en/component/k2/libya-calls-for-the-sufi-mediation-of-sanusiyya.html

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Simfan, I fail to see what are you trying to prove by comparing Brazil in 1889 to Libya in 1969.

[Famous Mortimer]

Simfan, I fail to see what are you trying to prove by comparing Brazil in 1889 to Libya in 1969.

Yeah, I read that a couple of times a couple different ways and could make no sense of it.