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« on: May 05, 2014, 01:52:24 PM »

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http://magharebia.com/en_GB/articles/awi/features/2014/03/28/feature-03 and
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2014/04/libya-foreign-minister-interview-return-monarchy.html##ixzz30rvBQUZ7

Very encouraging news.
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2014, 02:02:00 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2014, 02:04:21 PM by Varavour »

Not knowing I'm a monarchist is the new not knowing I'm black.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2014, 03:40:09 PM »

Cambodia is latest revived monarchy.

That is correct, and before that Spain. Besides Bokassa I think the last proclaimed monarchy must have been... Albania under Zog?
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 04:54:42 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2014, 04:58:11 PM by Varavour »

I don't think monarchy, especially constitutional monarchy, is an absolute evil or anything, but I don't know enough about the Libyan situation to know whether or not I think this is a good idea. What I will say is that I'm sort of surprised that nobody seems to have been considering this option before. Is there a single clear Senussi pretender?

There was an Italian guy, a prince Idris, who comes of as a bit of a charlatan, who was stating his claim, but he's way far down the line and dropped it a year or two ago. Mohammed El Senussi is the pretender.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2014, 12:07:33 AM »
« Edited: May 06, 2014, 01:08:43 AM by Varavour »

It would solve absolutely nothing. When Libya was a monarchy, Tripolitania and Fezzan were severely disadvantaged and neglected, because the ruling family was based (and therefore cared only about) in Cyrenaica (and when Gaddafi took power, it was Cyrenaica that was disadvantaged and neglected).

Restore the monarchy, it will result once again in deepening regional divisions. Libya needs a balanced policy, not a return to sectarianism.

And the monarchy wasn't so "stable" after all, since it took a couple of lightly armed lieutenants to get rid off the King in 1969.

The idea that coups d'etat are indicative of public support or legitimacy must surely come as a relief to the Emperors of Brazil.
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2014, 09:36:27 PM »

GNC member: "All options" on the table, including monarchy

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/04/federalism-east-libya-debate-201442493215796441.html

Toumi, it seems, is from Tripoli. Seeing that pro-monarchy sentiment seems to be strongest in Cyrenaica (whence the Senussis hail) the fact that at least one legislator from Tripolitania is willing to discuss it is encouraging. At the very least, it is being seriously discussed. I am optimistic.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2014, 09:41:14 PM »

In Cyrenaica, at least, posters of the former King, Idris, were a common sight at protests, and of course the former (and now present) flag and national anthem of the monarchy. Of course this is no firm marker of monarchist sentiment but it is generally known to be present and strongest in that part of the country.





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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2014, 11:02:22 AM »

Libya calls for the Sufi mediation of Sanusiyya

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http://www.mediterraneanaffairs.com/en/component/k2/libya-calls-for-the-sufi-mediation-of-sanusiyya.html
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2014, 04:42:43 PM »

Simfan, I fail to see what are you trying to prove by comparing Brazil in 1889 to Libya in 1969.

Pedro II was hugely popular and Brazil was at the peak of its fortunes. Didn't stop the ex-slave owners from overthrowing him. Likewise for Libya.
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2014, 04:14:59 PM »

Back to the Future in Libya

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A lot of the discussion in the piece seems to be fairly baseless claims on what Libyans think, for example that "the overwhelming majority of Libyans reject the restoration of the king" despite the fact that the entire article is about how people desire the re-adoption of the 1951 constitution. It is contradicted by the nature of the start rebellion itself, which involved crowds in Benghazi raising the Senussi flag, singing the Senussi anthem, and demanding the return of the Senussi constitution. Perhaps it is not so strongly supported outside Cyrenaica, that is possible, but within Cyrenaica there is at least widespread pro-Senussi sentiment.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2014, 04:18:58 PM »

The Case for Monarchy in Libya

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2014, 02:51:59 PM »

Libya: long live the king?
Poll shows fading support for parliamentary system

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