Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again

[memphis]

I wonder if he had to be escorted off the property by a large black security guard or if he went willingly.

[Mr. Morden]

I'm not familiar with how it works exactly, but I believe people who upload super popular videos on youtube can now get paid. It may be time for Video Update!!!

Yes, from advertising revenue.  If you were to come out with a video every week that gets a few hundred thousand views, you could certainly make enough $ to live off of in a place like Oklahoma.  That is, assuming that you don't have to spend big $ to produce the videos in the first place.  But I'm assuming that "Update" videos would be awfully low budget, so that's not a problem.

[Joe Biden 2020]

What's up, folks?!  I made it to my parents' home for the weekend.  I talked things over with my parents for about a total of two minutes and have come to the conclusion (which I came up with in the car) that I am going to stick with this job, but look for a CAD job in the evenings.  If I am fortunate enough to land an interview, I will try to make it as late in the day as possible so I don't jeopardize what I have going now.  Since I have a job, and a job that I feel more comfortable about, I don't have to fret about a CAD job, and I can look at my leisure without having to rush.

On the comfort about the job, Thursday evening when I got off work, I was worried about not feeling prepared to take calls the second half of next week.  By the time I got off work today, I felt completely different.  We did a few things and I was able to listen to a gal already taking outbound calls exactly like what I'll be doing and was immediately put at ease.  The calls look very simple and easy and straight forward.  I was only able to listen to 4 calls of hers in the 75 minutes I sat by her right before lunch, but I saw how easy it actually is to make a sale and take care of the customer.  She was finishing up a sale when I plugged in with her, then after 2 or 3 answering machines, she got within a whisker of a second sale only being turned back by seeing the customer was already on a contract and would incur early termination fees if she changed now.  I feel pretty good about it now.  I still have two more days in the classroom, possibly three.  I still have some concerns about the consistency of the management, but as long as they're honest and do what they say they will do, I can look past and get over the inconsistency.  That's just a peripheral issue for me and definitely not a show stopper.  I have not seen or heard of any dishonest policies in the 8 days I have worked there.  I will find out more when I pick up my first paycheck on Tuesday.  There is no danger brewing and I have absolutely no plans to quit until I get a CAD job, if I get a CAD job.  Again, if I don't get a CAD job, then I've got nothing to worry about.  I might be able to put in some longevity and tenure with this place.

[Joe Biden 2020]

As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

[Indy Texas]

We did a few things and I was able to listen to a gal already taking outbound calls exactly like what I'll be doing and was immediately put at ease.

I really hope you don't refer to your female co-workers as "gals" when you're there.

Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.

Tell us more about your weight loss progress, please.

[Joe Biden 2020]

We did a few things and I was able to listen to a gal already taking outbound calls exactly like what I'll be doing and was immediately put at ease.

I really hope you don't refer to your female co-workers as "gals" when you're there.

No, I am more professional at work.

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Tell us more about your weight loss progress, please.
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I have lost 5 pounds in the past 11 days.

[Flake]

I'm very proud that you've lost that weight, but are you sure it's not just water that you lost?

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

You've worked at numerous call center jobs in the past. Why would you feel unprepared?

[Joe Biden 2020]

I'm very proud that you've lost that weight, but are you sure it's not just water that you lost?

It could be water weight, but it's been consistent at the 4-5 pound mark.

[Joe Biden 2020]

You've worked at numerous call center jobs in the past. Why would you feel unprepared?

The past call centers have all been inbound with no sales.  This is outbound with sales.  So, it is a little different.  I knew what to expect in a general sense, but each company puts their own "spin" on the calls and what they require.

[Indy Texas]

I have lost 5 pounds in the past 11 days.

Good! But what have you been eating?

[Joe Biden 2020]

I have lost 5 pounds in the past 11 days.

Good! But what have you been eating?

Lighter amounts of the same stuff.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

That's fine and all if you want to work while looking for a CAD job. I actually agree with that, no need to quit the telemarketing job unless you're let go. But I hope you keep looking for CAD jobs, because that's much more of a career than telemarketing.

[Joe Biden 2020]

That's fine and all if you want to work while looking for a CAD job. I actually agree with that, no need to quit the telemarketing job unless you're let go. But I hope you keep looking for CAD jobs, because that's much more of a career than telemarketing.

Oh definitely.  I would much rather have a CAD job, and I will look discreetly in the evenings, but in the mean time this is a pretty good job in its own right.  I can look at my leisure without rushing.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

See, this is where we differ. I have no idea why you wish to prove us wrong over this after being let go of countless call center jobs, but maybe one day you will succeed. And I'm fairly sure J-Mann knows more about sales jobs than you do; we all know how they act during training and then how things are different when you actually are on the sales floor. You know that too. You've felt great about these call center jobs and then the first or second day on the phones, you're either let go or in trouble on the verge of being let go.

That said, I hope you keep this one until you find a CAD job, and I hope you make an honest effort to find one. It would suit you far better than sales.

[Joe Biden 2020]

As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

See, this is where we differ. I have no idea why you wish to prove us wrong over this after being let go of countless call center jobs, but maybe one day you will succeed. And I'm fairly sure J-Mann knows more about sales jobs than you do; we all know how they act during training and then how things are different when you actually are on the sales floor. You know that too. You've felt great about these call center jobs and then the first or second day on the phones, you're either let go or in trouble on the verge of being let go.

That said, I hope you keep this one until you find a CAD job, and I hope you make an honest effort to find one. It would suit you far better than sales.

I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong that I cannot work in a call center or sales, I am just trying to prove to myself that I can keep a job no matter what it is.

[Eraserhead]

Doesn't he need to get his certificate if he's going to keep looking for CADD jobs though?

[J-Mann]

J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.

How many call center and sales jobs have you tried your hand at over the last several years? Half-a-dozen? More? You were not an exception then, and you are not an exception now. You entered each of those with the same amount of determination and resolve, too.

A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

No, they can't. Your frame of body doesn't allow you to stand for eight hours a day; psychological realities play just as large of a role as to whether you'll make it at a job or not. You just seem to be much more accepting of your physical limitations than your psychological ones. Ultimately, people are better off seeking jobs or careers where they can exercise their natural skills, not fight their core natures.

You can make it (or fake it) for a while and possibly be successful. You ARE doing something smart here, which is continuing to look for CADD jobs. I am positive that you'd be more successful and happier in that type of a position. I don't want to see you in the same position you've been in before, where you have the rug pulled out from under you in a job you were never right for and have to be unemployed for weeks or months before grabbing something else in desperation. Keep looking while you're working. You'll find something better.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Doesn't he need to get his certificate if he's going to keep looking for CADD jobs though?

No, the employers can call the school or my references which include my instructor and verify any information they wish.

[Eraserhead]

Doesn't he need to get his certificate if he's going to keep looking for CADD jobs though?

No, the employers can call the school or my references which include my instructor and verify any information they wish.

Well, I hope it doesn't come to that, it might be weeks before they get a response!

[Joe Biden 2020]

J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.

How many call center and sales jobs have you tried your hand at over the last several years? Half-a-dozen? More? You were not an exception then, and you are not an exception now. You entered each of those with the same amount of determination and resolve, too.

A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

No, they can't. Your frame of body doesn't allow you to stand for eight hours a day; psychological realities play just as large of a role as to whether you'll make it at a job or not. You just seem to be much more accepting of your physical limitations than your psychological ones. Ultimately, people are better off seeking jobs or careers where they can exercise their natural skills, not fight their core natures.

You can make it (or fake it) for a while and possibly be successful. You ARE doing something smart here, which is continuing to look for CADD jobs. I am positive that you'd be more successful and happier in that type of a position. I don't want to see you in the same position you've been in before, where you have the rug pulled out from under you in a job you were never right for and have to be unemployed for weeks or months before grabbing something else in desperation. Keep looking while you're working. You'll find something better.

I know I would be happier in a CAD job, and that's why I'm going to continue to look.  After all, I did not spend a bunch of money for nothing.  I am not going to give up that easy.  All I'm saying is this job I'm in now is a good job to have while I look.  It puts food on my table, puts clothes on my back, and a roof over my head.  It is also looks to be an enjoyable job.  With the luxury of a paycheck coming in, I can take my time looking for the right job.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Doesn't he need to get his certificate if he's going to keep looking for CADD jobs though?

No, the employers can call the school or my references which include my instructor and verify any information they wish.

Well, I hope it doesn't come to that, it might be weeks before they get a response!

Doubtful.  School starts two weeks from Monday.

[J-Mann]

As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

See, this is where we differ. I have no idea why you wish to prove us wrong over this after being let go of countless call center jobs, but maybe one day you will succeed. And I'm fairly sure J-Mann knows more about sales jobs than you do; we all know how they act during training and then how things are different when you actually are on the sales floor. You know that too. You've felt great about these call center jobs and then the first or second day on the phones, you're either let go or in trouble on the verge of being let go.

That said, I hope you keep this one until you find a CAD job, and I hope you make an honest effort to find one. It would suit you far better than sales.

I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong that I cannot work in a call center or sales, I am just trying to prove to myself that I can keep a job no matter what it is.

You are, or you wouldn't be telling me that the science that has been corroborated by over 5,000,000 surveys somehow doesn't apply to you.

Keep the job, yes, but understand that you don't have a rainmaking salesperson's psychological make-up, and any position like this will always be a mental stretch for you, which can be stressful and exhausting. Consider it Calvinism for the HR world -- you are predestined for something different.

Make it work for now and keep looking for something that's you.

[Smash255]

As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

See, this is where we differ. I have no idea why you wish to prove us wrong over this after being let go of countless call center jobs, but maybe one day you will succeed. And I'm fairly sure J-Mann knows more about sales jobs than you do; we all know how they act during training and then how things are different when you actually are on the sales floor. You know that too. You've felt great about these call center jobs and then the first or second day on the phones, you're either let go or in trouble on the verge of being let go.

That said, I hope you keep this one until you find a CAD job, and I hope you make an honest effort to find one. It would suit you far better than sales.

I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong that I cannot work in a call center or sales, I am just trying to prove to myself that I can keep a job no matter what it is.

Bushie, no offense but this comment is just dumb period.  Some people ust aren't cut out for certain lines of work.  It isn't a bad thing, it is a fact thing.

You aren't cut out for a call center or sales type of job, you have tried it over and over again and it hasn't worked out.   I wouldn't be cut out for a Carpenter type of job because I suck at that type of stuff.  Nothing to be ashamed of.

[Smash255]

You've worked at numerous call center jobs in the past. Why would you feel unprepared?

The past call centers have all been inbound with no sales.  This is outbound with sales.  So, it is a little different.  I knew what to expect in a general sense, but each company puts their own "spin" on the calls and what they require.

Bushie outbound with sales is considerably more difficult than in bound with no sales.

As someone who works in sales, although in a different industry (I work for a Mortgage Company), I am with JMann on this.  You aren't cut out to be a sales person.  That isn't a knock at out, but its simply a fact.  Hell there are plenty of times I think I should be doing something else. 

Of course that doesn't mean you should quit.  Stay where you are while you look for something else.  But if you think this is going to be anything other than a short-term job you are misstaken.