Would Obama -> Hillary be the first left -> right succession in the same Party?
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Meursault
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« on: May 05, 2014, 06:19:34 PM »

I can only think of a few other possibilities.

Kennedy may have been more personally liberal than Johnson, but LBJ doubtless had more of an impact in achieving liberal legislative goals.

Roosevelt/Truman is the likeliest other example of rightward intraparty movement, but the issue is obscured because of the composition of the Congress.

I strongly believe Theodore Roosevelt to be more conservative than William Taft, though this will be, I'm sure, a minority view.

Anything else?
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2014, 06:22:48 PM »

But Hillary might end up being more left than Obama...
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2014, 06:27:22 PM »

Possibly so - but I strongly doubt it. If anything, I see her normalizing Obama's reforms ala Truman, but, like Truman, being largely incapable of pursuing her own.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 07:14:04 PM »

Taft holds the Presidential record for the number of trusts busted, and did not apply anti-trust suits as selectively as his predecessor.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 08:39:31 PM »

Hillary and Obama have very similar views.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2014, 08:52:54 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2014, 09:20:40 PM »

Some historians speculate that Roosevelt would keep the aliance with the Soviet Union.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2014, 10:39:16 PM »

No.

One could make the argument that Coolidge was to the right of Harding.
Truman was to the right of FDR on many issues.
Taft was to the left of Roosevelt on many things.
Going way back things get confusing but Madison may have been to the right of Jefferson.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2014, 11:17:12 PM »


Thanks for contributing, IceSpear.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2014, 12:19:04 AM »

Hillary would be a 3rd term of Obama.  If she's on "the right," then we're really in trouble.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2014, 08:56:56 AM »

The differences are now more of style than of ideology.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2014, 10:20:08 AM »

Hillary would be a 3rd term of Obama.  If she's on "the right," then we're really in trouble.
The million dollar question will be if Hillary is more like Obama or more like her husband. Bubba was much more fiscally conservative than Obama I don't think that could be disputed. If I had a choice between Hillary and Obama I would choose Hillary every time.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2014, 10:34:10 AM »

Hillary would be a 3rd term of Obama.  If she's on "the right," then we're really in trouble.
The million dollar question will be if Hillary is more like Obama or more like her husband. Bubba was much more fiscally conservative than Obama I don't think that could be disputed.

I dispute it. They're similar. So Hillary would be Bill Clinton's 5th term.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2014, 10:44:01 AM »

Hillary would be a 3rd term of Obama.  If she's on "the right," then we're really in trouble.
The million dollar question will be if Hillary is more like Obama or more like her husband. Bubba was much more fiscally conservative than Obama I don't think that could be disputed.

I dispute it. They're similar. So Hillary would be Bill Clinton's 5th term.
Totally, it would be Jimmy Carter's 6th term....

But seriously

You don't think anything at all would be different if Clinton had been elected in 2008 and 2012?
You think that Bill Clinton and Obama are the same?

I was going to link to something showing how they are rated differently but apparently I am not aloud to post links yet... Lame. Suffice to say that Obama and Clinton have not governed the same.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2014, 12:09:43 PM »

I don't know how radically different Hillary and Obama's views are, although part of it may come down to where they developed their chops. Hillary was First Lady of Arkansas during the Carter administration. Obama was an Urban state senator almost a generation later.

As for previous left to right successions in the same party, I think Nixon was considered more conservative than Eisenhower.

There is a fairly small sample set, as only six elections would be eligible since the Great Depression (1952, 1960, 1968, 1988, 2000, 2008.)
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2014, 07:49:30 AM »

How are Hillary's views functionally different from Obama's at this point?
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2014, 03:40:36 PM »

Coolidge-Hoover is another comparison. If you go back even further William Harrison-Tyler or Lincoln-Andrew Johnson.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2014, 03:44:51 PM »

Coolidge-Hoover is another comparison. If you go back even further William Harrison-Tyler or Lincoln-Andrew Johnson.
How was Hoover to the right of Coolidge?
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2014, 04:02:29 PM »

Coolidge-Hoover is another comparison. If you go back even further William Harrison-Tyler or Lincoln-Andrew Johnson.
How was Hoover to the right of Coolidge?

And how was Lincoln to the left of Johnson?  This board seems to operate under the assumption that defending slavery and/or segregation was an inherently "conservative" thing, fine (though I strongly disagree with that).  But Lincoln was fiercely pro-business while Johnson was fiercely anti-elite and fiscally populist.  You can't just say "President X used big government, so he's a liberal or President Y used small government, so he's a conservative."  Unless we're willing to say that the parties have switched ideologies since the Clinton administration (anyone remember "The era of big government is over"??  Or conversely how much Bush 43 expanded federal power and spent like there was no tomorrow??) then it's pretty irresponsible to suggest they have ever switched, which is what you imply by saying Lincoln --> Johnson was a rightward switch.
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2014, 04:45:01 PM »

Coolidge believed in the Bull Moose policies of TR.

Estates taxes, defended shorter work weeks, and believed in some advancement for Negros. Worked actively with NAACP. His policies was defended by Stone, along with Brandeis and Cardoza upheld New Deal on SCOTUs.
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