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« on: May 08, 2014, 04:26:52 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2014, 04:27:24 PM »

What is this, What even is this, bore?
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2014, 04:28:50 PM »

He's trying to kick me out of office as fast as he can!
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2014, 04:36:42 PM »

He's trying to kick me out of office as fast as he can!

Yes, we need a clause specifying that the Duke/Cinci regime will not be subject to this amendment.  Grandfathered and all that.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2014, 04:40:48 PM »

He's trying to kick me out of office as fast as he can!

Yes, we need a clause specifying that the Duke/Cinci regime will not be subject to this amendment.  Grandfathered and all that.

We need to propose that amendment we discussed that says the Duke/Cinci regime will not be subject to the outcome of the next "election." For national security purposes, it's dangerous we ever leave office.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2014, 04:43:40 PM »

He's trying to kick me out of office as fast as he can!

Yes, we need a clause specifying that the Duke/Cinci regime will not be subject to this amendment.  Grandfathered and all that.

We need to propose that amendment we discussed that says the Duke/Cinci regime will not be subject to the outcome of the next "election." For national security purposes, it's dangerous we ever leave office.

I think Atlasia should just give up and come to the conclusion they'll never have a more handsome administration. 
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2014, 05:30:40 PM »

I might have done this the wrong way, considering I think I did at some ungodly hour but I think the basic point of this amendment still stands. Lame duck terms are something we inherited from america, which america itself inherited from it's own distant past. Like with the electoral college, no one would place them in the system today because they are simply undemocratic, and in atlasia they have the added problem of tying down people who have lost interest in their jobs and just want out.
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2014, 05:55:13 PM »

There is a pretty good reason to have lame duck terms in this game.

It is called June 2009. Tongue

If therei s a disputed election, it provides time for the courts to intervene and sort out the mess with less disruption.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2014, 06:29:57 PM »

There is also June 2011 for the Regional Senate elections.

There could also be a lawsuit with regards to a complex At-Large result if it is disputed that would take a while to sort out.

In a Parliamentary System one disputed election is highly unlikely to control who has a majority in Parliament or not and thus limited risk posed from such with regards to the selection of a Government and Prime Minister.

The very direct elections cited earlier as examples ofm odernity over traditional practicies creates a practical use for lame duck terms so as to provide a buffer to decide disputes.
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2014, 06:57:44 PM »

In my case, there is October 2012. Lame duck periods also give the incoming administration time to assemble a Cabinet.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2014, 07:02:29 PM »

Oh yes, the speciall where I technically voted too late, but no one seemed to really give damn about in the end. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2014, 05:13:56 AM »

Well, how about we shorten the lame duck period?

And, Duke/Cinci, you guys will get a statue, with massive mustaches and proper bulges for your junk, so chill out.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2014, 05:30:13 AM »

The thing is, even in the worst legal cases (say about 2 weeks) you'd still get the actual elected people in before they are now and out before they lost interest. If there was a massive court case, the senate/president would just continue as normal until that was resolved, then the new senate/president would be sworn in. I guess I just don't see the problem with a week long delay every 2 years or so.

With regard to the cabinet, I don't see why that couldn't be formed pre election (perhaps giving people something to vote on), or at the very least in the first week of the new administration.

If, however, a shortening of the periods was the only acceptable reform, I'd, reluctantly, back that.
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2014, 07:04:07 PM »

There is also a matter of energy to be considered as well. The start of the Senate could be expected to take a great deal of energy, especailyl as a wave of legislation comes in and the start of the Senate. Most people come out of elections spent, including the candidates and need to rest before they can thus begin to enact their agenda's. So at least a week to recuperate would be appropriate I think.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2014, 07:06:34 PM »

The thing is, even in the worst legal cases (say about 2 weeks) you'd still get the actual elected people in before they are now and out before they lost interest. If there was a massive court case, the senate/president would just continue as normal until that was resolved, then the new senate/president would be sworn in. I guess I just don't see the problem with a week long delay every 2 years or so.

"In before they are now"?. Tyrpically the lame duck session is a full week and four days, for a total of 11 days. Only in rare expections where the first Friday comes later in the month like the sixth or in December would it be much longer.
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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2014, 02:20:44 PM »

Call me crazy, but I'm kind of a fan of the lameduck. The only time it'd seem to present any real issue is if the composition of the Senate drastically changes between elections (which is possible), but most of the time, it just gives some of us more incentive to hurry up and pass what we can before we're out of office. Tongue

As best I can tell, the recent PR Amendment we passed/are passing wouldn't be affected by this, so I'm open to debate.
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2014, 02:27:43 PM »

For the opinions expressed before, I'm not a fan of ending the lame duck period entirely. Shortening it to a week might be a good idea (the administration is supposed to have enacted the agenda by then, and remaining bills could be dealt with in a week instead of two), but we need to have a lame duck period in case we have legal troubles and to allow for a more coordinated transition. I wonder how the current presidential candidates feel about this, though...
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2014, 06:39:39 PM »

One thing we have to consider then is how to effect the shortening. Move back the elections or move up the start of the new terms?

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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2014, 07:13:32 PM »

I'd prefer to move up the start of the new terms.
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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2014, 07:56:30 PM »

Last Monday of the month of the leection? Last Friday?

How does it interact with the elections in all scenarios?
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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2014, 08:10:15 PM »

Why not just something like 5 days after the election? A number, not based on last fridays or whatever.
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2014, 08:22:25 PM »

Well for one I would prefer to have start date not tied directly to the election that could thus vary if the booth is late or something (it has happened before though not as often w/ homely. Happy HL? Tongue).
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2014, 01:09:38 AM »

Why are we so quick to boot me from office?
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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2014, 07:30:19 AM »

Proposing an amendment:

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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2014, 08:07:12 AM »

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