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« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2014, 08:36:45 PM »


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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2014, 08:55:17 PM »


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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2014, 09:56:29 PM »

The problem with the far-left in America is that they aren't willing to do the things that are necessary to institute serious reforms. They are too absolutist. They should have become a major faction in the Democratic Party like the Tea Party did.

You can whine all you want on the internet but it doesn't matter. Anyone who thinks there will be a serious Marxist revolution in modern America is a moron. It's about organization and presenting a serious alternative to mainstream America.

Tea Partiers are somewhat smarter than True Leftists. Despite aggressively pushing the GOP to the right, at the end of the day, they're smart enough to know voting straight ticket GOP better serves their interests than writing in Ronald Reagan or voting third party. True Leftists just whinge about how both parties are the same and refuse to work within the system. Then they wonder why they're completely irrelevant.

The Tea Party, like other Republicans as well as Democrats, more or less supports the existing system of "free market" capitalism and bourgeois "democracy". There's no reason to participate in a system that is inherently rotten and is so entrenched that real change for the better is impossible without simply dislodging the entire thing. You are far closer in your political views to Ted Cruz and Michele Bachmann than you are to me.

I'm pretty sure literally no political scale would agree with this.
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« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2014, 05:50:08 PM »
« Edited: May 08, 2014, 06:00:14 PM by Night Man »

If she was a gun toting right-winger she would have been left alone.

This is of course, true. And if she had a gun, she'd have been shot to death as some kind of terrorist. Remember kids, only right-wingers are allowed to keep and bear arms at protests.

So right-wing nut with gun = patriot, left-wing nut with gun= terrorist?



The problem with the far-left in America is that they aren't willing to do the things that are necessary to institute serious reforms. They are too absolutist. They should have become a major faction in the Democratic Party like the Tea Party did.

You can whine all you want on the internet but it doesn't matter. Anyone who thinks there will be a serious Marxist revolution in modern America is a moron. It's about organization and presenting a serious alternative to mainstream America.

Tea Partiers are somewhat smarter than True Leftists. Despite aggressively pushing the GOP to the right, at the end of the day, they're smart enough to know voting straight ticket GOP better serves their interests than writing in Ronald Reagan or voting third party. True Leftists just whinge about how both parties are the same and refuse to work within the system. Then they wonder why they're completely irrelevant.

The Tea Party, like other Republicans as well as Democrats, more or less supports the existing system of "free market" capitalism and bourgeois "democracy". There's no reason to participate in a system that is inherently rotten and is so entrenched that real change for the better is impossible without simply dislodging the entire thing. You are far closer in your political views to Ted Cruz and Michele Bachmann than you are to me.

I'm pretty sure literally no political scale would agree with this.
Pretty much. The far-right has been very organized at masking their movement and portraying themselves  as concerned people who just want to be more involved in law and government. The far-left just forms  a bunch of mosh-pits in the middle of large cities.

If Marxists want to be taken seriously again, they would start at the state-house and local level and start by primarying the person that agrees with them 51% of the time with the one that agrees with then 55% of the time to run against the person that agrees with them 5% of the time...and over the course of several cycles, they will be primarying the US senator that agrees with them 85% of the time with the one that agrees with them 90% of the time.
It will probably take a few decades, but that's what the far right had to do to go from burning crosses and bombing abortion clinics to dominating the House of Representatives and all but a couple of state governments in swing states.
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« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2014, 11:24:06 PM »

First of all, the "Tea Party" has never been an independent grassroots movement of ordinary people. From its inception, the so-called "Tea Party movement" was a movement of the hard-line right-wing activists in the Republican Party and their allies in the media, in elected office, and in other aspects of the wealthy, powerful, professional far-right infrastructure that has existed in this country going back to the Cold War days of the John Birch Society, the Goldwater campaign in 1964, and Ronald Reagan's' rise to power in the 60s and 70s. So the comparison to OWS or the "far Left" (whatever exists of it) in general falls apart already.

Secondly, the Tea Party and other Republicans don't actually want to change the existing system of social inequality; they just want to make it even more punitive to the poor and other marginalized groups than it already is. Notice how all they ever cared about was the federal budget deficit, not the actual pain and hardship that so many Americans are going through? What did the bipartisan, Serious People-approved Simpson-Bowles Commission focus on? Oh right, the federal budget deficit.  

There is little daylight between the Tea Party and the rest of the mainstream, dominant political scene in terms of ideological priorities; the difference is a matter of degree, not of interests. So, in the context of the hopelessly reactionary American political system, of course the Tea Party would get so much more (favorable) media coverage (and not just from FOX News, I might add) than OWS ("Dirty hippies, fighting the system!")-just as ANY right-wing  "movement" gets more and more favorable coverage than actual movements for grassroots social change.

Lastly, I might add that I'm beginning to suspect that it is the Democratic Party, not the Republican Party (or the "Tea Party") that is the real obstacle to revolutionary social change. It's not the Republican Right that pretends to be a "Party of the People" with any seriousness. But whatever, call me a TRUE LEFTIST ideologue/idealist all you want; you're only proving my point.

Considering your username, the last paragraph is very ironic.

If it's all the fault of the Democratic Party, and all we need is full Republican control ruining everybody's life in order to get our glorious proletariat revolucion, then why are people living under far right GOP dominated governments such as Texas so happy with their politicians and keep electing them? Full Republican control inspiring a leftist revolution (armed or otherwise) is pure fantasy.
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