Lumine's Election and Political Tracker (Epilogue) - Tracker Closed

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Picking a VP that supported TNF over the federalist ticket didn't help his cause with anyone but the far left, who were never going to support him anyway, but he already knows my views on that.

[Napoleon]

Picking a VP that supported TNF over the federalist ticket didn't help his cause with anyone but the far left, who were never going to support him anyway, but he already knows my views on that.

All the vp candidates voted for the better ticket last go round.

[sentinel]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

For one, there's a private message from a few months ago to you that should give you a decent idea.

Other than that, I have a record of being fiscally responsible, and of not being beholden to the interests of the left. Remember, I left Labor when I thought it went too far. DemPGH left Labor, ran as an independent, rejoined Labor, lost the Labor nomination , left Labor, rejoined Labor later.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why would an actual libertarian vote for the atlasian right? The things they support economically are either already in place or have no chance of passing. There is a larger portion of voters that are socially authoritarian than there is economically right wing voters.

Most of the Libertarian views on social issues are already in place is well though. You vote based on the where the ground is to be gained, otherwise the game is over for you is it not?

Didn't the Liberal Party run into that problem by your own admission? "It accomplished what it set out to do" and now the left is dominated by the Labor Party.

[Simfan34]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

I don't know. I mean I'm sure there is a viable way to build a coalition that could claim that they oppose nationalising everything under the sun.

The problem with social issues is that people keep on inventing things to liberalise, like this polygamy thing or blanket drug decriminalisation. On the other hand TNF is rehashing ideas that were rather tired 70 years ago.

[sentinel]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

I don't know. I mean I'm sure there is a viable way to build a coalition that could claim that they oppose nationalising everything under the sun.

The problem with social issues is that people keep on inventing things to liberalise, like this polygamy thing or blanket drug decriminalisation. On the other hand TNF is rehashing ideas that were rather tired 70 years ago.

I am trying to build said coalition here. Hi.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

For one, there's a private message from a few months ago to you that should give you a decent idea.

Other than that, I have a record of being fiscally responsible, and of not being beholden to the interests of the left. Remember, I left Labor when I thought it went too far. DemPGH left Labor, ran as an independent, rejoined Labor, lost the Labor nomonatoon, left Labor, rejoined Labor later.

I am not talking about me, Sirnick. That is the point of this conversation, for the most part, why so many Federalists aren't voting for you.

That is a good case to make I suppose but lets broaden out from just Federalists. There were several other key votes that were lost last night beyond just those in Labor, even some TPPers who voted for DemPGH, which is what underpinned by response to Simfan in the form of the question. It seemed to not register with several voters.

[Napoleon]

Why would an actual libertarian vote for the atlasian right? The things they support economically are either already in place or have no chance of passing. There is a larger portion of voters that are socially authoritarian than there is economically right wing voters.

Most of the Libertarian views on social issues are already in place is well though. You vote based on the where the ground is to be gained, otherwise the game is over for you is it not?

Didn't the Liberal Party run into that problem by your own admission? "It accomplished what it set out to do" and now the left is dominated by the Labor Party.

And when the D-Rs accomplish what they want to do, they will probably take the same route. However, the difference is that the D-Rs do not and will never reach the heights that the Liberals did so its not apples to apples.

Evidence: look at how Labor members like myself and SWE have worked with Governor Dallasfan and compare it to how your party and that keaton kid treated Spiral when he was Governor.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

And I think SirNick could build that coalition. But intangibles have made that difficult. I know I certainly oppose nationalization of our industry or utilities and no one has made an argument as to why we need that, but apparently the majority disagree. Who knew?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

I don't know. I mean I'm sure there is a viable way to build a coalition that could claim that they oppose nationalising everything under the sun.

The problem with social issues is that people keep on inventing things to liberalise, like this polygamy thing or blanket drug decriminalisation. On the other hand TNF is rehashing ideas that were rather tired 70 years ago.

THat a key TPP member's first response to that question is "I don't know", should be alarming, Sirnick.

[sentinel]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

I don't know. I mean I'm sure there is a viable way to build a coalition that could claim that they oppose nationalising everything under the sun.

The problem with social issues is that people keep on inventing things to liberalise, like this polygamy thing or blanket drug decriminalisation. On the other hand TNF is rehashing ideas that were rather tired 70 years ago.

THat a key TPP member's first response to that question is "I don't know", should be alarming, Sirnick.

It would be if it wasn't Simfan. He kind of does his own thing.

[Napoleon]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

I don't know. I mean I'm sure there is a viable way to build a coalition that could claim that they oppose nationalising everything under the sun.

The problem with social issues is that people keep on inventing things to liberalise, like this polygamy thing or blanket drug decriminalisation. On the other hand TNF is rehashing ideas that were rather tired 70 years ago.

THat a key TPP member's first response to that question is "I don't know", should be alarming, Sirnick.

Oh come on, its easy to pile on sirnick now that he is getting creamed but lets not act like simfan isn't a right wing federalist who has played a big part in spreading petty attacks against the left. He's closer to a Riley than a sirnick.

[Simfan34]

You are building this coalition by appointing someone who supported TNF over a Federalist? Acting like one can accomplish "social goals" is a fools errand, as I said, we can always invent some new social issue. Right now the D-Rs are pretty much just a social liberal party, I don't see much fiscal conservatism being effected from them.

Indeed, I have more faith right now that Windjammer as the Senate's tie breaker would be more socially conservative than the guy- good guy he is- who gave the NE polygamy and child pornography.

You're not going to get all the people under this tent to agree on everything. But you need to cast it as widely as possible. Now you have me thinking I should join the Feds, if they appoint me their chairman. After all, I did found the Whig Party...

Oh come on, its easy to pile on sirnick now that he is getting creamed but lets not act like simfan isn't a right wing federalist who has played a big part in spreading petty attacks against the left. He's closer to a Riley than a sirnick.

I thought we'd put the past behind us, Napoleon.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

For one, there's a private message from a few months ago to you that should give you a decent idea.

SIRNICK'S SECRET MISSIVE TO FEDERALIST INSIDERS REVEALED!!!

OOH SCANDAL OOH  OOH

Amazing how irrelevant your Party becomes when you don't run a candidate, so irrelevant that you get both angles as to why each candidate not from your Party is better than the other or why you should support one over the other.

[sentinel]

Simfan, the bill allowed kids to view porn with parental consent. It didn't allow children to be in porn. If it did then I know Dallasfan would be all in favor of revising it to prevent that. I don't know wht anyone would think otherwise.

And my message to NCY wasn't all that exciting unfortunately. I was considering joining the Feds before I left Labor. Now my dream is starting a party called "the Gentlemans Party". It would be the TPP or Liberal Party plus top hats and monocles.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

I don't know. I mean I'm sure there is a viable way to build a coalition that could claim that they oppose nationalising everything under the sun.

The problem with social issues is that people keep on inventing things to liberalise, like this polygamy thing or blanket drug decriminalisation. On the other hand TNF is rehashing ideas that were rather tired 70 years ago.

THat a key TPP member's first response to that question is "I don't know", should be alarming, Sirnick.

Oh come on, its easy to pile on sirnick now that he is getting creamed but lets not act like simfan isn't a right wing federalist who has played a big part in spreading petty attacks against the left. He's closer to a Riley than a sirnick.

Hopefully for Sirnick's sake, he will  realize what I am really doing. I am most certainly not doing tihs just to "pile on".

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Simfan, the bill allowed kids to view porn with parental consent. It didn't allow children to be in porn. If it did then I know Dallasfan would be all in favor of revising it to prevent that. I don't know wht anyone would think otherwise.

And my message to NCY wasn't all that exciting unfortunately. I was considering joining the Feds before I left Labor. Now my dream is starting a party called "the Gentlemans Party". It would be the TPP or Liberal Party plus top hats and monocles.

Or that, damn when you meant months, you really meant MONTHS. I frankly don't even recall the details specifically at this point, just the general points.

[Napoleon]

You are building this coalition by appointing someone who supported TNF over a Federalist? Acting like one can accomplish "social goals" is a fools errand, as I said, we can always invent some new social issue. Right now the D-Rs are pretty much just a social liberal party, I don't see much fiscal conservatism being effected from them.

Indeed, I have more faith right now that Windjammer as the Senate's tie breaker would be more socially conservative than the guy- good guy he is- who gave the NE polygamy and child pornography.

You're not going to get all the people under this tent to agree on everything. But you need to cast it as widely as possible. Now you have me thinking I should join the Feds, if they appoint me their chairman. After all, I did found the Whig Party...

Oh come on, its easy to pile on sirnick now that he is getting creamed but lets not act like simfan isn't a right wing federalist who has played a big part in spreading petty attacks against the left. He's closer to a Riley than a sirnick.

I thought we'd put the past behind us, Napoleon.

Its an objective observation. Did you not say that "as far as I am concerned, anyone in Labor is TNF"?

[Simfan34]

Its an objective observation. Did you not say that "as far as I am concerned, anyone in Labor is TNF"?

Unless proven otherwise. And you've proved such, long before anyone knew who TNF was.

Simfan, the bill allowed kids to view porn with parental consent.

What sort of perverted parent would allow their child to view pornography!? I don't think something that would be considered sexual abuse if any other person did it should be acceptable for parents.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

but lets not act like simfan isn't a right wing federalist who has played a big part in spreading petty attacks against the left. He's closer to a Riley than a sirnick.

I knew Riley had friends in the TPP, but I didn't know who all was counted as such.

[sentinel]

Simfan, the bill allowed kids to view porn with parental consent. It didn't allow children to be in porn. If it did then I know Dallasfan would be all in favor of revising it to prevent that. I don't know wht anyone would think otherwise.

And my message to NCY wasn't all that exciting unfortunately. I was considering joining the Feds before I left Labor. Now my dream is starting a party called "the Gentlemans Party". It would be the TPP or Liberal Party plus top hats and monocles.

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On my phone so i ed up the quoting here.



Yeah, if you remember the general points then you remember the whole thing. I also, in reply to your other comment, do see what you're doing and were trying. Unfortunately a few people we had counted on didn't end up voting our way. One flipped a coin, another forgot he pledged to me then apologized when he realized, and there is one bothersome one that won't reply to me (and I legitimately just want to know why I lost that person's vote).

Regardless, we are still actively involved in the GOTV effort.

[Cassius]

Come on chaps. Tis a game. Sure, its looking increasingly likely that DemPGH has won the election, but, Sirnick made a brave stand, and he did well, getting a good 40 percent of Atlasia behind him. So, all of you, be of good cheer

[sentinel]

Its an objective observation. Did you not say that "as far as I am concerned, anyone in Labor is TNF"?

Unless proven otherwise. And you've proved such, long before anyone knew who TNF was.

Simfan, the bill allowed kids to view porn with parental consent.

What sort of perverted parent would allow their child to view pornography!? I don't think something that would be considered sexual abuse if any other person did it should be acceptable for parents.

It more so means that no one is getting procecuted for a 10 year old buying (or seeing) a playboy. The law isn't perfect, I voted against it, I just regret not offering an amendment to it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

I don't know. I mean I'm sure there is a viable way to build a coalition that could claim that they oppose nationalising everything under the sun.

The problem with social issues is that people keep on inventing things to liberalise, like this polygamy thing or blanket drug decriminalisation. On the other hand TNF is rehashing ideas that were rather tired 70 years ago.

THat a key TPP member's first response to that question is "I don't know", should be alarming, Sirnick.

It would be if it wasn't Simfan. He kind of does his own thing.

Yes, but if Nappy is right that he is a Federalist at heart TPP in name, then guess who should have been test case number one for how to get enough Federalist support.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Yeah, if you remember the general points then you remember the whole thing. I also, in reply to your other comment, do see what you're doing and were trying. Unfortunately a few people we had counted on didn't end up voting our way. One flipped a coin, another forgot he pledged to me then apologized when he realized, and there is one bothersome one that won't reply to me (and I legitimately just want to know why I lost that person's vote).

Regardless, we are still actively involved in the GOTV effort.

You always get some many interesting stories out of elections like these about voters who did this or that.