Lumine's Election and Political Tracker (Epilogue) - Tracker Closed

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Sorry to veer back, but as a Federalist who voted for DemPGH and knows a bit of what has been going on behind the scenes, I might as well offer my two cents as well.

No one has mentioned the consolidation debate's impact on our party, and I think it's important to look at our troubles in that context. Things fell apart during Duke's first term partly because the leadership and the members were split on consolidation. With Labor united on the issue, we were obviously the natural foil... but we refused to do anything to organize against it because the politics of undermining our president and chairman were difficult to navigate. Before that, we had always had huge problems, but we were at least able to compete in the elections. The consolidation debate was sort of the catalyst that brought a lot of issues to a head, and we're still suffering for it.

I think there's a decent amount of Federalist support for DemPGH because, to be frank, at least we can trust that he'll be what he says, and what he says isn't especially unreasonable. One of the main reasons I didn't vote for SirNick is because it has seemed all through this campaign that he is blatantly pandering for Federalist support. I've been wondering back and forth whether I made the right choice, but his vote for Deus (against his word to bore) is the quintessential example of trying to win votes on the right. I understand the strategy, but I just didn't want to vote for that this time around.

DemPGH, on the other hand, is not all that unreasonable and has shown that he can push back against the Labor establishment on issues like consolidation. If he operates as president the way someone like Nix operated as senator, we're in fine shape. DemPGH and I have also spoken very candidly, and I'm convinced that a vote for him will not turn out to have been a vote for Adam Griffin whispering in his ear. All in all, DemPGH is a safe candidate. I've been longing to be able to ignore party BS and vote for a candidate based on his individual merits for a long time. Now I have the chance. Do we disagree on key issues? Sure, but it's a game and the issues don't really matter all that much. What matters is having someone you can work with without wanting to blow your brains out. I'm not saying SirNick would be bad; I'm just saying that I know I could work with DemPGH.

Also, Talleyrand brought up my name for president. Thank you, but do you see the mess in this thread? No way would I want to jump into this. Managing the party is a big pain in the ass too, which is why I've pretty much washed my hands of it unless Yankee really needs a favour. Look... This will sound selfish, but at this point, I don't know if I really care that much about any of the parties. They just build a culture of animosity that's counterproductive when it comes to actually governing. Whatever happens to the Federalist Party, I know that I'll still be good at GOTV when I need it. So... Why get myself into the job of helping manage the party when I know that it always makes me even more frustrated and awful than I already am?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

For one, there's a private message from a few months ago to you that should give you a decent idea.

SIRNICK'S SECRET MISSIVE TO FEDERALIST INSIDERS REVEALED!!!

OOH SCANDAL OOH  OOH

Amazing how irrelevant your Party becomes when you don't run a candidate, so irrelevant that you get both angles as to why each candidate not from your Party is better than the other or why you should support one over the other.

No comment on the message's contents? What about you, Sirnick? This is not something to float in public unless you plan to reveal what's going on.

Apparently he was talking about something much older, whereas I thoguht meant the appeals I received from both sides in this election back a few weeks ago starting in MAy I think.

Like I said I don't remember the specific points, just general disatisfaction and/or disappointment I suppose would be the way to term it.

[TNF]

You guys realize that nobody buys porn anymore right? Why would anyone pay for something that is available free of charge, to everyone, on the Internet?

[sentinel]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

For one, there's a private message from a few months ago to you that should give you a decent idea.

SIRNICK'S SECRET MISSIVE TO FEDERALIST INSIDERS REVEALED!!!

OOH SCANDAL OOH  OOH

Amazing how irrelevant your Party becomes when you don't run a candidate, so irrelevant that you get both angles as to why each candidate not from your Party is better than the other or why you should support one over the other.

No comment on the message's contents? What about you, Sirnick? This is not something to float in public unless you plan to reveal what's going on.

Apparently he was talking about something much older, whereas I thoguht meant the appeals I received from both sides in this election back a few weeks ago starting in MAy I think.

Like I said I don't remember the general points, just general disatisfaction and/or disappointment I suppose would be the way to term it.

Yeah, I addressed it a few posts back. Was considering joining the Feds before I left Labor. Obviously didn't happen though.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

Sirnick buddy........welcome to the Presidential losers club- we meet every Wednesday at my local dive bar and talk about poon :-)

[sentinel]

Sorry to veer back, but as a Federalist who voted for DemPGH and knows a bit of what has been going on behind the scenes, I might as well offer my two cents as well.

No one has mentioned the consolidation debate's impact on our party, and I think it's important to look at our troubles in that context. Things fell apart during Duke's first term partly because the leadership and the members were split on consolidation. With Labor united on the issue, we were obviously the natural foil... but we refused to do anything to organize against it because the politics of undermining our president and chairman were difficult to navigate. Before that, we had always had huge problems, but we were at least able to compete in the elections. The consolidation debate was sort of the catalyst that brought a lot of issues to a head, and we're still suffering for it.

I think there's a decent amount of Federalist support for DemPGH because, to be frank, at least we can trust that he'll be what he says, and what he says isn't especially unreasonable. One of the main reasons I didn't vote for SirNick is because it has seemed all through this campaign that he is blatantly pandering for Federalist support. I've been wondering back and forth whether I made the right choice, but his vote for Deus (against his word to bore) is the quintessential example of trying to win votes on the right. I understand the strategy, but I just didn't want to vote for that this time around.

DemPGH, on the other hand, is not all that unreasonable and has shown that he can push back against the Labor establishment on issues like consolidation. If he operates as president the way someone like Nix operated as senator, we're in fine shape. DemPGH and I have also spoken very candidly, and I'm convinced that a vote for him will not turn out to have been a vote for Adam Griffin whispering in his ear. All in all, DemPGH is a safe candidate. I've been longing to be able to ignore party BS and vote for a candidate based on his individual merits for a long time. Now I have the chance. Do we disagree on key issues? Sure, but it's a game and the issues don't really matter all that much. What matters is having someone you can work with without wanting to blow your brains out. I'm not saying SirNick would be bad; I'm just saying that I know I could work with DemPGH.

Also, Talleyrand brought up my name for president. Thank you, but do you see the mess in this thread? No way would I want to jump into this. Managing the party is a big pain in the ass too, which is why I've pretty much washed my hands of it unless Yankee really needs a favour. Look... This will sound selfish, but at this point, I don't know if I really care that much about any of the parties. They just build a culture of animosity that's counterproductive when it comes to actually governing. Whatever happens to the Federalist Party, I know that I'll still be good at GOTV when I need it. So... Why get myself into the job of helping manage the party when I know that it always makes me even more frustrated and awful than I already am?

Its not "obvious pandering" when I have a record to back it up. I got the Federalist endorsement for NE Assembly and Governor! Its not like I'm pandering to the right and then saying "eh screw it lets bust the budget." I've always been a centrist here, I have no idea why you keep thinking that my views are pandering. What view have I changed to appeal to Federalists? If I really wanted to pander I would have come out in favor of some free market health care plan, instead I emphasized that policy is pointless without Game Moderator and game engine reform.

EVERYONE's agenda is useless if the game doesn't work. We need repercussions for policies otherwise were just passing words and assuming it worked. Might as well pass legislation saying "everyone is okay peace in world, awesome" and it would be just as beneificial as a real policy option.

[sentinel]

Sirnick buddy........welcome to the Presidential losers club- we meet every Wednesday at my local dive bar and talk about poon :-)

Thursday works better for me

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'm glad so many here on the right know a DemPGH that is reasonable and easy to deal with. I would like to meet him someday.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well to be frank, I found him easier to deal with then Nix most of the time.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Lol

You once again have my full support and endorsement.

REPUBLIC OF ATLASIA - In Dave We Trust
Official Ballot

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT

[2] DemPGH of Washington and Windjammer of Minnesota
^{Labor Party}

[1] Sirnick of New York and Dallasfan65 of Massachusetts
^{The People's Party - Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

NORTHEAST SENATOR

[2] Bore of Rhode Island
^{Labor Party}

[1] Deus naturae of New York
^{Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

Wow!  I'm normally not one to criticize people for how they vote on Atlasia, but this is just ridiculous.  It is extremely Liebermanesque, for lack of a better word.  I voted for SirNick, but in light of this, I couldn't be happier DemPGH seems poised to win.  I didn't want to believe the folks who were attacking SirNick as an unprincipled flip-flopper, he'd always done right by me and I gave him the benefit of the doubt.  I want to hear SirNick's explanation for this before I assume the worst.  I know firsthand that sometimes what some may see as opportunism or a lack of principle is sometimes the result of good intentions leading to a result that is simply FUBAR.  However, from where I stand this sure doesn't look good, to say the least.  This doesn't change the fact that I consider SirNick a forum friend, but it does make me pretty reluctant to vote for him if he runs for anything in Atlasia in the foreseeable future.

As a liberal who supported SirNick (albeit one who really liked both candidates) because I thought he was the best of two highly qualified candidates, this is very disappointing.  I really thought (and he essentially ran as) that he was a pragmatic center-left candidate who was willing to work with the other side.  Now I really don't know what his views actually are  I have no problem with SirNick voting for Deus in-and-of-itself.  However, for him to vote for Deus while running as a center-left candidate who was a former Laborite himself in a race that is critical to the Senate balance of power (and remember, Bore isn't some hyper-partisan extremist) it simply makes no sense.  Whether you're a Federalist, fellow member of the TPP, a Laborite, a Democratic-Republican, a Cultural Marxist, or an Independent, I'd urge you not to make the mistake I made.  Vote for DemPGH, a write-in, or even abstain, at least that way you know what you're getting.

Still no answer from SirNick, but I suppose thay's my answer

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'm glad so many here on the right know a DemPGH that is reasonable and easy to deal with. I would like to meet him someday.

I am just speaking of my own experience of course, though tbf, nothing extremely recent.

[sentinel]

Lol

You once again have my full support and endorsement.

REPUBLIC OF ATLASIA - In Dave We Trust
Official Ballot

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT

[2] DemPGH of Washington and Windjammer of Minnesota
^{Labor Party}

[1] Sirnick of New York and Dallasfan65 of Massachusetts
^{The People's Party - Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

NORTHEAST SENATOR

[2] Bore of Rhode Island
^{Labor Party}

[1] Deus naturae of New York
^{Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

Wow!  I'm normally not one to criticize people for how they vote on Atlasia, but this is just ridiculous.  It is extremely Liebermanesque, for lack of a better word.  I voted for SirNick, but in light of this, I couldn't be happier DemPGH seems poised to win.  I didn't want to believe the folks who were attacking SirNick as an unprincipled flip-flopper, he'd always done right by me and I gave him the benefit of the doubt.  I want to hear SirNick's explanation for this before I assume the worst.  I know firsthand that sometimes what some may see as opportunism or a lack of principle is sometimes the result of good intentions leading to a result that is simply FUBAR.  However, from where I stand this sure doesn't look good, to say the least.  This doesn't change the fact that I consider SirNick a forum friend, but it does make me pretty reluctant to vote for him if he runs for anything in Atlasia in the foreseeable future.

As a liberal who supported SirNick (albeit one who really liked both candidates) because I thought he was the best of two highly qualified candidates, this is very disappointing.  I really thought (and he essentially ran as) that he was a pragmatic center-left candidate who was willing to work with the other side.  Now I really don't know what his views actually are  I have no problem with SirNick voting for Deus in-and-of-itself.  However, for him to vote for Deus while running as a center-left candidate who was a former Laborite himself in a race that is critical to the Senate balance of power (and remember, Bore isn't some hyper-partisan extremist) it simply makes no sense.  Whether you're a Federalist, fellow member of the TPP, a Laborite, a Democratic-Republican, a Cultural Marxist, or an Independent, I'd urge you not to make the mistake I made.  Vote for DemPGH, a write-in, or even abstain, at least that way you know what you're getting.

Still no answer from SirNick, but I suppose thay's my answer

I actually messaged Bore about it, and was going to message you. I tend to do a lot of quick things on here from my phone, and I screwed up by quoting the wrong person when I voted. Didn't notice until the "edit" period had passed. I should have been more careful. I've voted for Bore every other time I've pledged my support to him, he knows that I come through.

I realize that you can read into this very easily, or think I'm lying, but that's what happened. I'm sorry.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nix was always more intense as President, he had more fun as Senator I think. DemPGH was more easy going as I recall. Of course that might be the Presidency itself that causes the difference.

[sentinel]

I have 56 DemPGH to 46 for SirNick in the final round. I'd say there is still room for us to grow

EDIT: I think I am off by two, somewhere.

[windjammer]

I have 56 DemPGH to 46 for SirNick in the final round. I'd say there is still room for us to grow

EDIT: I think I am off by two, somewhere.

Are you sure?
I have 42 for Sirnick, 1 abstain, and 56 for DemPGH.

[sentinel]

I have 56 DemPGH to 46 for SirNick in the final round. I'd say there is still room for us to grow

EDIT: I think I am off by two, somewhere.

Are you sure?
I have 42 for Sirnick, 1 abstain, and 56 for DemPGH.

I'm not including ZuWo actually, so that means I'm off by 3. I think Dallasfan might have thrown some people in who are going to vote for us in the wrong column on my spreadsheet. I really don't feel like going through 100 votes

[windjammer]

Well, I have recounted, and I find 58 DemPGH.

Well, I will recount again .

[sentinel]

Well, I have recounted, and I find 58 DemPGH.

Well, I will recount again .

Nah don't bother, we'll find out in the end regardless

[windjammer]

Well, I have recounted, and I find 58 DemPGH.

Well, I will recount again .

Nah don't bother, we'll find out in the end regardless

58 DemPGH
41 Sirnick
1 Exhausted (Zuwo)

Well, I'm tired, and how to say, every color has both voted for Sirnick and for DemPGH, so hard to count . My count may have mistakes .

[windjammer]

As of Shua:

PRESIDENT
57 DemPGH (57%)
41 Sirnick  (42%)
  1 NOTA

Bore and TNF have a slight edge in their races, Yankee and Maxwell are tied with 6 votes each, Flo leads by a wide margin in the first round the Pacific, and DC wins easily in the first round in the Mideast and looks likely to win even in the unlikely event that he doesn't gain a majority in a three-way race.

Averroes, as of Shua, 100 votes have been cast .

[Thomas D]

No one on this site of math geeks can do simple math apparently. 

(Not that I'm going to try.)

[Maxwell]

Yanks just got vote #7 in Supersonic, and he seems to have more of a base left than I do (Duke, PiT, some other random Feds), so I think Yanks will clean my clock by the end, though by less than at least his fight with Seatown.

[sentinel]

Hmm, I believe the margin is tightening...for now. May the odds ever be in my favor.

[Maxwell]

When I look at the Midwest I see a couple of things - for one, the regions pretty inelastic. However, that could just be TNF - any leftist closer to the center (and with less 'stylistic flair') probably would win a walk. Either way, I think RR1997's showing is impressive.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In the Northeast, DemPGH leads 18-11

This is really a big hit. I was expecting Sirnick to get 65% in the NE.