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Mr. Morden
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« on: May 11, 2014, 10:27:10 PM »

Biden was at a closed door fundraiser in South Carolina on Friday, and gave "what one attendee called “an Elizabeth Warren-type speech” about the struggles of America’s middle class".

There was apparently one eyebrow raising moment:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/05/10/biden-delivers-elizabeth-warren-type-speech-at-fundraiser/

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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2014, 12:36:43 AM »

"Big" Joe Biden might shake my steely pro-Clinton resolve if he chooses to run. He is truly a great American.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2014, 01:14:04 AM »

I've always had a belief Joe Biden would make a great president. I think he understand average voters more than Clinton does.

But he won't run against Clinton. He just won't.
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2014, 03:50:48 AM »

Joe Biden is right.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2014, 07:35:36 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2014, 08:27:02 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2014, 09:02:24 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2014, 09:08:46 AM »

"Big" Joe Biden might shake my steely pro-Clinton resolve if he chooses to run. He is truly a great American.
But an awful campaigner Wink
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2014, 09:17:59 AM »

"Big" Joe Biden might shake my steely pro-Clinton resolve if he chooses to run. He is truly a great American.
But an awful campaigner Wink

Cuz Hillary is known as the great campaigner.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2014, 09:32:01 AM »

As a Republican, I prefer a Biden run for obvious reasons.

But I'm not sure there's much downside for him.

Since Elizabeth Warren doesn't seem interested in running, there's no one ready to take the populist progressive mantle. He starts out with a fairly high profile.

He'll likely lose, but he may get more attention as an elder statesman if he's affiliated with the base.

And if Hillary stumbles, it leaves less of an opening on his left.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2014, 10:09:52 AM »

I thought Reagan destroyed the middle class? Roseanne Barr told me so.
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2014, 10:15:33 AM »

"Big" Joe Biden might shake my steely pro-Clinton resolve if he chooses to run. He is truly a great American.
But an awful campaigner Wink

Cuz Hillary is known as the great campaigner.

Compared to the guy who was out before NH in both his runs? Yes.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2014, 10:30:51 AM »

It would be very strange and improbable for Biden to campaign as a raging populist. Yes, he's a stalwart pro-labor old-school Democrat (something I like a lot) but he also voted for NAFTA and the 2005 Bankruptcy Bill. He was really kind of hated on sites like D Kos before he hooked up with Obama. I think some people are responding to the Onion Joe Biden more than the real guy.

And just as a factual matter, he's almost 100% wrong. Most economists tend to date the decline of the middle class to the mid-Seventies, with the latter years of Clinton being something of a respite because the overall economy was so strong. Robert Reich, who's critical of a lot of Clinton policies despite being in his cabinet the first term, said as much on Chris Hayes' show recently.
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2014, 10:48:11 AM »
« Edited: May 12, 2014, 11:03:30 AM by A dog on every car, a car in every elevator »

Biden obviously won't beat Clinton in a primary but that's not because he's a bad campaigner. It'll be for the same reason he lost in 2008: he's a bad fit for the moment. In some respects, Hillary is a bad fit for the moment. But in other ways, she's a good fit to the point that she's inevitable.

It would be very strange and improbable for Biden to campaign as a raging populist. Yes, he's a stalwart pro-labor old-school Democrat (something I like a lot) but he also voted for NAFTA and the 2005 Bankruptcy Bill. He was really kind of hated on sites like D Kos before he hooked up with Obama. I think some people are responding to the Onion Joe Biden more than the real guy.

And just as a factual matter, he's almost 100% wrong. Most economists tend to date the decline of the middle class to the mid-Seventies, with the latter years of Clinton being something of a respite because the overall economy was so strong. Robert Reich, who's critical of a lot of Clinton policies despite being in his cabinet the first term, said as much on Chris Hayes' show recently.

All of this is correct.

Since Elizabeth Warren doesn't seem interested in running, there's no one ready to take the populist progressive mantle.

Bernie Sanders, though whether he'll actually run is unclear.
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2014, 03:53:16 PM »

"Big" Joe Biden might shake my steely pro-Clinton resolve if he chooses to run. He is truly a great American.
But an awful campaigner Wink

Cuz Hillary is known as the great campaigner.
Much more than Biden
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2014, 04:16:45 PM »

#ReadyforBiden
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2014, 04:41:40 PM »

Biden is delusional if he thinks he has a chance against Clinton or  against any credible Democrat candidate.
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2014, 12:40:47 AM »

Biden would probably be a very competent President, in a narrow, clinical sense. He knows where the levers of power are and how to pull them; there probably isn't a Congressional aide alive he won't at least recognize physically. And he has a foreign policy acumen to rival any Secretary of State, including Clinton.

His problem, setting aside his age, actually stems from his strength: he's such a backslapping retail politician that it's impossible to actually buy into him as a policy wonk. He's not brilliant by any means, but he has a stolid, workmanlike mind. But it's difficult for voters to reconcile that with his goofball 'Uncle Joe' demeanor.

And it's a problem he'll never resolve, because that's who Biden is.
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