EP elections 2014 - Results Thread

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Is their a deadline for the horse-trading to end?

[Tender Branson]

Is their a deadline for the horse-trading to end?

Yes:

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[Gustaf]

The short version of what Ingemann said is that UKIP cares more about origins of a party than about current official policy (or at least such is my impression).

That's why they dislike parties like SD or FN but are ok with DPP or LN or the crazy Poles.

To some extent, but it's also important for you as Swede to know, that the party Swedish media tell about have not much to do with how DPP are. There are a reason that DPP's MP rarely care to talk with Swedish reporters, while they're willing to talk to most other foreign reporters.

The Swedish media doesn't talk much about DPP these days. Not sure what Danish media says that Swedish media says or why you assume your own media to be unbiased.

There isn't really a deadline though, is there? I mean, my understanding is that you can form groups and switch etc later on in the process.

And the difference described above is that the English are correct and the Germans are being silly. Apart from the fact that no one voted based on Juncker, the whole idea of the parliamentary groups having candidates make little sense. The European parliament doesn't pick the president anyway.

[Gustaf]

That's not what I've read. My understanding is that it is still the European Council who picks and parliament can only approve or reject. Although the Council is supposed to take the elections into account or some similarly typical pseudo-democratic bs that the EU likes to throw around.

[sirius3100]

The council proposes the commission president, but the parliament made it quite clear that they won't elect any other than one of the official candidates.

[ingemann]

The short version of what Ingemann said is that UKIP cares more about origins of a party than about current official policy (or at least such is my impression).

That's why they dislike parties like SD or FN but are ok with DPP or LN or the crazy Poles.

To some extent, but it's also important for you as Swede to know, that the party Swedish media tell about have not much to do with how DPP are. There are a reason that DPP's MP rarely care to talk with Swedish reporters, while they're willing to talk to most other foreign reporters.

The Swedish media doesn't talk much about DPP these days. Not sure what Danish media says that Swedish media says or why you assume your own media to be unbiased.

Gustaf I'm in my thirties and I can read Swedish, I have followed the debate in Sweden for years in Swedish articles, yes comments about DPP have become rarer the last few years (after you got SD), even through they're everybit still as weird.

As for Danish media, I could make a thousands page rant about all the things wrong with it.

[Gustaf]

The short version of what Ingemann said is that UKIP cares more about origins of a party than about current official policy (or at least such is my impression).

That's why they dislike parties like SD or FN but are ok with DPP or LN or the crazy Poles.

To some extent, but it's also important for you as Swede to know, that the party Swedish media tell about have not much to do with how DPP are. There are a reason that DPP's MP rarely care to talk with Swedish reporters, while they're willing to talk to most other foreign reporters.

The Swedish media doesn't talk much about DPP these days. Not sure what Danish media says that Swedish media says or why you assume your own media to be unbiased.

Gustaf I'm in my thirties and I can read Swedish, I have followed the debate in Sweden for years in Swedish articles, yes comments about DPP have become rarer the last few years (after you got SD), even through they're everybit still as weird.

As for Danish media, I could make a thousands page rant about all the things wrong with it.

Danes and Swedes always bitch about each other's media. What specifically do you feel was wrong with Swedish media reporting on DPP? I'm not saying you're wrong just curious.

[ingemann]

The short version of what Ingemann said is that UKIP cares more about origins of a party than about current official policy (or at least such is my impression).

That's why they dislike parties like SD or FN but are ok with DPP or LN or the crazy Poles.

To some extent, but it's also important for you as Swede to know, that the party Swedish media tell about have not much to do with how DPP are. There are a reason that DPP's MP rarely care to talk with Swedish reporters, while they're willing to talk to most other foreign reporters.

The Swedish media doesn't talk much about DPP these days. Not sure what Danish media says that Swedish media says or why you assume your own media to be unbiased.

Gustaf I'm in my thirties and I can read Swedish, I have followed the debate in Sweden for years in Swedish articles, yes comments about DPP have become rarer the last few years (after you got SD), even through they're everybit still as weird.

As for Danish media, I could make a thousands page rant about all the things wrong with it.

Danes and Swedes always bitch about each other's media. What specifically do you feel was wrong with Swedish media reporting on DPP? I'm not saying you're wrong just curious.

Maybe it's the fact that half the articles about DPP seem like weird rants, while the ones using sources and interviews, seem like the journalist started out with a mission, and he's hellbent on pushing it, no matter how much he has to warp the story.

Athena Farrokhzad article about Yahya Hassan while not directly about DPP, are a surprisingly good example, but of course she seem to gone too far even for Swedish media.

[Diouf]

According to der Spiegel, Cameron told Merkel that he can't guarantee UK will stay in EU if Juncker gets top job.

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http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN0EB0QD20140531?feedType=RSS&irpc=932

[StateBoiler]

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Juncker is a super European insider from mighty power Luxembourg that few people know and fewer people in the European voting process were ever exposed to. Elections are supposed to have a veneer of responsibility attached to them, yet there were many countries where people voted and have no idea who Juncker, Schulz, Verhofstedt, etc. were. When people were voting for the European Parliament, they were not voting for those individuals to be their leaders. They were voting for their respective national parties whom most of the people that vote for them don't know their European party affiliation or care.

Verhofstedt to me is the worst. He gets a challenge from Olli Rehn who Verhofstedt and a few of his backers don't like, so instead of actually having an election to decide who is ALDE's candidate/leader for the EP elections (God forbid people, politicians even, actually have to vote on who their leader was), they work out a backroom compromise so the party primary disappears.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Elections are supposed to have a veneer of responsibility attached to them

Yes, but a European Election is not a real election but an electoral type event.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Juncker is a super European insider from mighty power Luxembourg that few people know and fewer people in the European voting process were ever exposed to. Elections are supposed to have a veneer of responsibility attached to them, yet there were many countries where people voted and have no idea who Juncker, Schulz, Verhofstedt, etc. were. When people were voting for the European Parliament, they were not voting for those individuals to be their leaders. They were voting for their respective national parties whom most of the people that vote for them don't know their European party affiliation or care.

Verhofstedt to me is the worst. He gets a challenge from Olli Rehn who Verhofstedt and a few of his backers don't like, so instead of actually having an election to decide who is ALDE's candidate/leader for the EP elections (God forbid people, politicians even, actually have to vote on who their leader was), they work out a backroom compromise so the party primary disappears.

Yes but what you are forgetting that a Europe-wide election just between Schultz, Juncker, et al would do well to have a 0.5% turnout.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And half of those votes would be cast in Luxembourg!

[Antonio the Sixth]

Elections are supposed to have a veneer of responsibility attached to them

Yes, but a European Election is not a real election but an electoral type event.

European Elections are whatever we make of them.

("we" being a mix of public opinions and national governments)

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Elections are supposed to have a veneer of responsibility attached to them

Yes, but a European Election is not a real election but an electoral type event.

European Elections are whatever we make of them.

("we" being a mix of public opinions and national governments)

Rubbish. They are what the European Commission makes of them (which is usually very little).

[Antonio the Sixth]

Elections are supposed to have a veneer of responsibility attached to them

Yes, but a European Election is not a real election but an electoral type event.

European Elections are whatever we make of them.

("we" being a mix of public opinions and national governments)

Rubbish. They are what the European Commission makes of them (which is usually very little).

The European Commission is whatever national governments make of it.

[GMantis]

Elections are supposed to have a veneer of responsibility attached to them

Yes, but a European Election is not a real election but an electoral type event.

Because the election results don't matter?

[You kip if you want to...]

Elections are supposed to have a veneer of responsibility attached to them

Yes, but a European Election is not a real election but an electoral type event.

Because the election results don't matter?

Because very few people take them seriously, or even know the issues they're voting on.

[GMantis]

Elections are supposed to have a veneer of responsibility attached to them

Yes, but a European Election is not a real election but an electoral type event.

Because the election results don't matter?

Because very few people take them seriously, or even know the issues they're voting on.

The second part is correct, but I don't quite agree about the first. For example, in my country they were taken seriously, though only as a warm-up for the parliamentary elections.

[YL]

There seems to be some disagreement within the Tories about whether to let AfD into the ECR group.  Some of the MEPs (Daniel Hannan and Nirj Deva have been mentioned) would like to let them in, but Cameron still doesn't want them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27685195

To me Cameron's idea of still thinking of the CDU as the Tories' "sister party" while also insisting on not being in the EPP seems like wanting to have his cake and eat it.

[EPG]

If Europeans elected a European Parliament of Eurosceptics that voted down all legislation, very little would happen. Clearly, European elections do matter, but they don't lead to the most radical changes simply because opinion moves faster among the smaller and more collegiate European Council, whereas the Parliament reflects public opinions in approximate proportion to their prevalences, so it isn't as volatile.

[Beezer]

Austrian newspapers are now reporting that Juncker is virtually out of the running.

http://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/europa/europaeische_union/635105_Juncker-scheitert.html

[Lasitten]

This is only good

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[republicanbayer]

Does anyone know where i can find the results of the French and Belgian constituencies?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Does anyone know where i can find the results of the French and Belgian constituencies?

France: http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/ER2014/index.html