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« Reply #225 on: May 25, 2014, 03:19:14 PM »


Isn't people saying that type of thing one of the (many) reasons why parties like FN have been able to gain such purchase in the last couple of decades?

No, it isn't.
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« Reply #226 on: May 25, 2014, 03:22:51 PM »

Been following the thread, but also been on my phone/facebook. Plus been living in the UK for three years.
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« Reply #227 on: May 25, 2014, 03:37:27 PM »

The differences between the national parliaments and the European Parliament delegations of France and the UK is a great argument for how Proportional Representation leads to vastly different seat outcomes with the same electorate compared to single member districts.  In France the largest party in the European election has practically no seats in the national parliament.

But it isn't (really) the same electorate, given that turnout is so much lower in the Euros than in more important national elections. All the Euros are is a chance for individual electorates to let off a bit of steam and be 'creative' with their votes.

True, but the criticism still holds. Front National got 13% of the first round vote but only won two seats. UKIP could conceivably win 15% of the popular vote and no seats in 2015.
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« Reply #228 on: May 25, 2014, 03:39:54 PM »

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No you are not.

I voted in the 10 member South East England region. Even on the reported unofficial exit poll figure of 8%, the Lib Dems should win the last South East seat.
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« Reply #229 on: May 25, 2014, 03:45:09 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2014, 03:47:12 PM by Strategos Autokrator »

Results for the borough of Friedrichshain-Kreuzberg in Berlin, where I live:

Greens 33.9%
Left 22.0%
SPD 18.4%
CDU 7.7%
Pirates 5.1%
Die PARTEI 3.8%
AfD 3.4%
FDP 1.6%
Animal Protection 1.5%
DKP (German Communist Party) 0.4%

All other parties below 0.4%, including NPD, ÖDP, Family Party, and Free Voters.

Turnout: 54.5%
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« Reply #230 on: May 25, 2014, 03:49:36 PM »

The differences between the national parliaments and the European Parliament delegations of France and the UK is a great argument for how Proportional Representation leads to vastly different seat outcomes with the same electorate compared to single member districts.  In France the largest party in the European election has practically no seats in the national parliament.

But it isn't (really) the same electorate, given that turnout is so much lower in the Euros than in more important national elections. All the Euros are is a chance for individual electorates to let off a bit of steam and be 'creative' with their votes.

True, but the criticism still holds. Front National got 13% of the first round vote but only won two seats. UKIP could conceivably win 15% of the popular vote and no seats in 2015.

Yes well, that's why I'm increasingly favourable to the idea of implementing some sort of MMP system in the UK (though I'd be sad to see fptp go, it is, after all, a fine British tradition) possibly similar to the system that they have in Japan (which isn't exactly proportional, but nonetheless enables smaller parties to get some sort of foothold in parliament without producing endless minority governments).
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« Reply #231 on: May 25, 2014, 03:53:40 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2014, 03:56:29 PM by Lіef »

The differences between the national parliaments and the European Parliament delegations of France and the UK is a great argument for how Proportional Representation leads to vastly different seat outcomes with the same electorate compared to single member districts.  In France the largest party in the European election has practically no seats in the national parliament.

But it isn't (really) the same electorate, given that turnout is so much lower in the Euros than in more important national elections. All the Euros are is a chance for individual electorates to let off a bit of steam and be 'creative' with their votes.

True, but the criticism still holds. Front National got 13% of the first round vote but only won two seats. UKIP could conceivably win 15% of the popular vote and no seats in 2015.

Yes, but this is a good thing and the point of that electoral system.
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« Reply #232 on: May 25, 2014, 03:59:53 PM »

There is nothing good about FPtP. It must be scrapped.
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« Reply #233 on: May 25, 2014, 04:00:10 PM »

results from kronau, where i live

turnout 57,9 (+0,4)

cdu 49,1 (-2,7)
spd 20,0 (+4,1)
afd 9,5 (+9,5)
greens 6,9 (-0,1)
left 2,6 (+0,3)
fdp 2,3 (-8,4)
fw 1,7 (+1,2)
pirates 1,5 (-0,1)
rep 1,4 (-2,1)
tierschutz 1,3 (-0,2)

dkp and büso each lost their only vote from last time.

i wonder where all those rep voters went Roll Eyes
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« Reply #234 on: May 25, 2014, 04:07:35 PM »

BBC just started its live coverage: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27407926
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« Reply #235 on: May 25, 2014, 04:09:11 PM »

This is apparently the vote share in Wales:

Labour 32%
UKIP 29%
Conservative 19%
Plaid Cymru 17%
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« Reply #236 on: May 25, 2014, 04:12:52 PM »

This is apparently the vote share in Wales:

Labour 32%
UKIP 29%
Conservative 19%
Plaid Cymru 17%

Ominous.
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« Reply #237 on: May 25, 2014, 04:13:08 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2014, 04:38:46 PM by Velasco »

Spain (97.9% counted)

PP 26% (-16.2%) 16 (-8) (EPP)

PSOE 23% (-15.8%) 14 (-9) (S&D)

IU-ICV 10% (+6.3%) 6 (+4) ( 5 GUE-NGL, 1 Greens/EFA)

PODEMOS 7.95% 5 (+5)!!! (GUE-NGL)

UPyD 6.5% (+3.6%) 4 (+3) (NI)

CiU+PNV+CC 5.45% (+0.35%) 3 (nc) (2 ALDE, 1 EPP)

ERC 4.1% 2 (+1) (Greens/EFA)

Cs 3.2% 2 (+2) (NI)
 
EHBildu+BNG 2.1% 1 (+1) (?)

Compromís+Equo 1.9% 1 (+1) (Greens/EFA)
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« Reply #238 on: May 25, 2014, 04:13:38 PM »

Result from NE England: Lab 2 UKIP 1
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« Reply #239 on: May 25, 2014, 04:13:52 PM »

Result for Denmark with 74.5% of the results in:

DF 26.8% 4 seats
Social Democrats 19.1% 3
Liberals 16.7% 2
SF 10,6% 1
Conservatives 9.2% 1
People's Movement against the EU 8.1% 1
Social Liberals 6.5% 1
Liberal Alliance 2.9% 0

DF looks like they will take 4 seats. The Liberals will probably only get two seats; a very big defeat; no polls have shown them this low. Big question marks will be raised again about the future of the Liberal leader Lars Lřkke Rasmussen.
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« Reply #240 on: May 25, 2014, 04:14:26 PM »

Result from NE England
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« Reply #241 on: May 25, 2014, 04:14:47 PM »

East Midlans
UKIP: 36
Conservative: 31
Labour: 19
Green: 5
Lib Dem: 4
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« Reply #242 on: May 25, 2014, 04:15:36 PM »

Podemos is the surprise of the night. We need to shake things up in the PSOE in order to keep alive.
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« Reply #243 on: May 25, 2014, 04:16:34 PM »

You pronounce UKIP as a word? I've been saying the letters individually. Oops.
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« Reply #244 on: May 25, 2014, 04:24:51 PM »

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Martin Callanan, the Tory who has led the ECR group, has lost his seat!
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« Reply #245 on: May 25, 2014, 04:27:09 PM »

E England: UKIP 3 (+1) C 3 Lab 1 LD 0 (-1).
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« Reply #246 on: May 25, 2014, 04:29:55 PM »

Lib Dems top the poll in Orkney Cheesy
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« Reply #247 on: May 25, 2014, 04:29:55 PM »

Spain (97.9% counted)

PP 26% (-16.2%) 16 (-8) (EPP)

PSOE 23% (-15.8%) 14 (-9) (S&D)

IU-ICV 10% (+6.3%) 6 (+4) ( 5 GUE-NGL, 1 Greens/EFA)

PODEMOS 7.95% 5 (+5)!!! (GUE-NGL)

UPyD 6.5% (+3.6%) 4 (+3) (NI)

CiU+PNV+CC 5.45% (+0.35%) 3 (nc)

ERC 4.1% 2 (+1) (Greens/EFA)

Cs 3.2% 2 (+2) (NI)

EHBildu+BNG 2.1% 1 (+1)

Compromís+Equo 1.9% 1 (+1) (Greens/EFA)

Very nice results.  I'm happy for PODEMOS
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« Reply #248 on: May 25, 2014, 04:34:33 PM »

You pronounce UKIP as a word? I've been saying the letters individually. Oops.

Haha. Amatuer.
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« Reply #249 on: May 25, 2014, 04:34:51 PM »

Where are the UKIP votes coming from?  The Conservatives don't appear to be losing more than 2-3%, Labour gaining a few points (probably from LD), Lib Dems tanking - but those votes aren't going to UKIP.  BNP appears to be down and clearly those votes are going to UKIP, but where else are they coming from?
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