EP elections 2014 - Results Thread

[Antonio the Sixth]

And Tsipras will get in! Narrowly, but still, that means my vote almost made a difference.

It made a difference. Be smarter than the other kids ! Every vote does make a difference even if the winning margin is not one vote in the end. This cliché is annoying. I guess it's an American thing.

Yes of course, I'm the first to say every vote matters! It's just that in this case it mattered even more considering how close we were to the threshold.

[Serenity Now]

But then you aren't really 'represented' by any of these people are you? That's part of the problem.

I know, I just wanted to make a horrible pun.  When it comes to MEP 'representation' it's a matter of picking and choosing who to bother contacting regarding a given issue (not that I do bother).

[SPQR]

In the end,the really "shocking" results of the night were in Spain and in Italy.

In Spain,they concerned both major parties...in Italy,not even the most optimist would have predicted PD above 35%.

[Diouf]

Danish map:



The yellow colour is of course DF; the pink is SF, not the Social Liberals. As in many other countries, there is a vast gap between the capital and the rest of the country. DF won 26.6% nationwide and was clearly the biggest party; in the Inner City district in Copenhagen they won 9.5% and finished sixth.

[Tender Branson]

Vienna - by precinct:



SPÖ won 825 precincts
Greens won 423 precincts
ÖVP won 164 precincts
FPÖ won 140 precincts

[minionofmidas]

Die PARTEI won a seat!

....what?

Voting for a joke party is the most stupid thing anyone can do.

Voting for Die PARTEI effectively reduced the chance of the NPD winning a second seat.

In any case, PARTEI leader Martin Sonneborn has announced that the'yre going to keep their campaign promise of resigning their seat every 30 days, so that any of the 60 PARTEI candidates on their list gets a chance to serve for a month in the European Parliament. Sonneborn said he's gonna use his 30 days to prepare himself for his impending resignation.

...which makes sense financially as well. Everyone of them is going to draw 8000 Euros a month for six months after their one month term...
Of course, I see no valid definition of "joke party" that applies to the PARTEI but not to any of the multi-seat parties. As Sonneborn himself rightly said, "I don't think we're the craziest outfit to win a seat today."

Anyways, because no one else cares:

7 small parties won a seat each: FW 1.46%, Pirates 1.45%, Animal Protection 1.2%, NPD 1.0%, Families 0.7%, ödp 0.631%, PARTEI 0.629%. The largest party to miss out was REPs at 0.37%. So, the minimum no. of votes needed to gain a seat fell right into a natural break in the vote distribution: The PARTEI's seat was the 81st to be distributed (of 96), the REPs' turn wouldn't have come til no.130.
However, FW and Pirates missed out on a second seat quite narrowly : FW's would have been 101st, Pirates' 103rd. So the other party I was mulling a vote for was actually closer to a relevant threshold than the PARTEI.

[Famous Mortimer]

Danish map:



The yellow colour is of course DF; the pink is SF, not the Social Liberals. As in many other countries, there is a vast gap between the capital and the rest of the country. DF won 26.6% nationwide and was clearly the biggest party; in the Inner City district in Copenhagen they won 9.5% and finished sixth.

I thought the SF was dead. Do they always win a big chunk of the capital like that?

[Tender Branson]

Vienna - by precinct:



SPÖ won 825 precincts
Greens won 423 precincts
ÖVP won 164 precincts
FPÖ won 140 precincts

FPÖ wins Lobau and not the Greens - WTF ?

It's that fat blue area in the East, which is a national park.

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https://www.wien.gv.at/english/leisure/recreation/lobau.htm

[minionofmidas]

Presumably the precinct also includes a residential area somewhere along its northern boundary.

[Tender Branson]

Presumably the precinct also includes a residential area somewhere along its northern boundary.

You can watch this whole thing on Google (you need to click on "Satellite"):

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/embedviz?q=select+col8%3E%3E1+from+1qUXjXpnwThIZX_0gYUk7P2vbNAw83yMEVy29QqQt&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=48.21767915939287&lng=16.40920173263555&t=1&z=12&l=col8%3E%3E1&y=2&tmplt=2&hml=KML

It looks like there's only 2 factories there (OMV Zentraltanklager) and a Dampfkraftwerk.

In the north-west part of that blue area is a residency area though, small - but suburban.

Maybe that explains it.

[Tender Branson]

Presumably the precinct also includes a residential area somewhere along its northern boundary.

You can watch this whole thing on Google (you need to click on "Satellite"):

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/embedviz?q=select+col8%3E%3E1+from+1qUXjXpnwThIZX_0gYUk7P2vbNAw83yMEVy29QqQt&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=48.21767915939287&lng=16.40920173263555&t=1&z=12&l=col8%3E%3E1&y=2&tmplt=2&hml=KML

It looks like there's only 2 factories there (OMV Zentraltanklager) and a Dampfkraftwerk.

In the north-west part of that blue area is a residency area though, small - but suburban.

Maybe that explains it.

Just noticed this:

If you klick on the precincts, you will also get the vote totals by precinct and percentages.

[Middle-aged Europe]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

[Antonio the Sixth]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

[Diouf]

The yellow colour is of course DF; the pink is SF, not the Social Liberals. As in many other countries, there is a vast gap between the capital and the rest of the country. DF won 26.6% nationwide and was clearly the biggest party; in the Inner City district in Copenhagen they won 9.5% and finished sixth.

I thought the SF was dead. Do they always win a big chunk of the capital like that?

Well, the national polls are still quite terrible. The latest polling average has them on 5.4% while they won 9.2% at the 2011 general election. However, since leaving the government they have improved a bit; partly due to being able to disavow some of the unpopular goverment policies . Before and just after the tumultuous resignation from the government, the party averaged 3.5% and some polls showed them just above the 2%-threshold.

Generally, they do better in the capital than in the rest of the country. At the last general election, they won 12.4% in Copenhagen compared to 9.2% nationwide. In the 2013 local elections, they won 10.0% in Copenhagen compared to 5.6% nationwide.
But the difference was bigger than normally this time. I'm not sure there will be a combined Copenhagen result, but the district results suggest a result above 20 % in Copenhagen while the nationwide result was 10.9%. There are a number of reasons for this. First of all Enhedslisten, who have been taking a lot of their Copenhagen votes, is not running and many left-wing voters are probably reluctant to vote for a party that wants Denmark to leave the EU. Second, the younger voters, who might be tempted to actually choose the People's Movement instead of SF, are more likely not to vote in European elections. This is especially significant in Copenhagen which obviously has a lot of young voters. Thirdly, SF's candidate was the popular and experienced Margrethe Auken, who has been a MP for 21 years and MEP for the last ten years while the People's movement candidate was the young, inexperienced and unknown Rina Ronja Kari. So in Copenhagen where there are more left-wing voters and the left-wing parties probably compaign more, the difference between the two front runners have probably made a bigger difference.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

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Ni Riada and Kelly will follow shortly. Fourth seat a total toss-up, Flynn has a chance imo as does, amazingly, the second FF candidate although not to the extent that count may suggest as Crowley's vote is rather personal even by FF standards and may not transfer all that perfectly. Hoping for Harris only on the grounds as that would mean an imminent by-election in Wicklow.

[Franzl]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

He's being investigated for it.

[Middle-aged Europe]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

He's being investigated for it.

Yeah, apparently on the suspicion of voter fraud.

He also claims that he didn't know that he was forbidden from voting twice.

Ooooops...

[Antonio the Sixth]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

He's being investigated for it.

Oh, so there are laws against it? How are they supposed to be enforced, since there's no way to know if you've voted in another country?

[Tender Branson]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

He's being investigated for it.

Oh, so there are laws against it? How are they supposed to be enforced, since there's no way to know if you've voted in another country?

Usually all precincts have voter lists and when you vote you get an [X] next to your name.

I think you can find out if someone voted twice ...

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

PASOK performed remarkably (and irritatingly) well, only coming fourth.

And seeing as Papandreou was bitterly opposed to the Olive Tree alliance, this sets him back in the power struggle to control PASOK. (Not that PASOK is particularly worth having a struggle about)

[Antonio the Sixth]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

He's being investigated for it.

Oh, so there are laws against it? How are they supposed to be enforced, since there's no way to know if you've voted in another country?

Usually all precincts have voter lists and when you vote you get an [X] next to your name.

I think you can find out if someone voted twice ...

...

Did you read the previous posts? The issue is about voting twice in different countries.

[Hatman 🍁]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

He's being investigated for it.

Oh, so there are laws against it? How are they supposed to be enforced, since there's no way to know if you've voted in another country?

Usually all precincts have voter lists and when you vote you get an [X] next to your name.

I think you can find out if someone voted twice ...

Yeah, but who is going to check every single name?

I know lots of people vote twice (or more time) in municipal elections here, but that's a bit different.

[Tender Branson]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

He's being investigated for it.

Oh, so there are laws against it? How are they supposed to be enforced, since there's no way to know if you've voted in another country?

Usually all precincts have voter lists and when you vote you get an [X] next to your name.

I think you can find out if someone voted twice ...

...

Did you read the previous posts? The issue is about voting twice in different countries.

What exactly is the problem here ?

If they investigate this, the most likely scenario to do so is:

* check where the guy has his residence in Germany and ask the election officials there to hand over the election protocoll to see if he has voted

* the same thing is done in Italy, either in the municipality where he is registered or at the Interior Ministry where he requested his absentee ballot or at the Italian embassy in the German city where he lives

* if it is shown that he voted twice, he will be charged in Germany, because he lives there.

...

Don't know if this has been done already (probably not), but there are ways to find out.

Still, I have long before argued for a centralized voter database for EU-elections with cross-checks to combat double-voting.

But of course none of this will happen.

[SPQR]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

He's being investigated for it.

Oh, so there are laws against it? How are they supposed to be enforced, since there's no way to know if you've voted in another country?

Usually all precincts have voter lists and when you vote you get an [X] next to your name.

I think you can find out if someone voted twice ...

That's kind of hard to check in two different countries,though.

[Tender Branson]

One man, two votes: Giovanni di Lorenzo, editor-in-chief of the German newspaper DIE ZEIT announced yesterday that he voted twice. As a dual citizen of Germany and Italy he cast his ballots for both countries.

That's cheating! I didn't vote in France...

He's being investigated for it.

Oh, so there are laws against it? How are they supposed to be enforced, since there's no way to know if you've voted in another country?

Usually all precincts have voter lists and when you vote you get an [X] next to your name.

I think you can find out if someone voted twice ...

That's kind of hard to check in two different countries,though.

I don't think it's hard to check, but rather hard to enforce the penalty (because what's the EU law about this "crime" ?).

If there are election protocolls in both his German and Italian precincts, that would be a matter of 10 minutes to find out if he voted twice.