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« Reply #400 on: May 26, 2014, 12:02:47 PM »

The leader of the National Liberal Party (PNL) in Romania suggests that the party should leave ALDE and join EPP because "the EU should not be led by a Socialist president". Couldn't they just like vote against any socialist candidate. They would certainly not be the only ALDE party to do that. They won 6 seats and would be the second biggest party delegation in ALDE.*
 
*If the French UDI/Modem alliance is considered one party.

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« Reply #401 on: May 26, 2014, 12:17:01 PM »


The party has too many members and a network of local representatives in trade unions, environmental organizations, housing estates boards etc. to just die off and it had a popular and very capable no. 1 on their list.

Its certainly an encouragement for them doing so relatively well in the EP election. Even if they didn't keep the second seat. Still had the Red-Green Alliance decided to run as a party and fielded a strong frontrunner this would have been different.
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« Reply #402 on: May 26, 2014, 12:21:18 PM »

Quite a few resignations already around Europe after some poor EP2014 showings.

PSOE leader Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba
Leader of the Irish Labour Party Eamon Gilmore
MSZP (Hungarian Socialists) leader Attila Mesterházy
Romanian National Liberal Party leader Crin Antonescu

In Denmark the pressure is mounting on the Liberal leader Lars Løkke Rasmussen, but for now it looks like he will try to fight through it.
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« Reply #403 on: May 26, 2014, 12:23:55 PM »

Wait, all these people waited for the EP elections to resign, even as they had plenty of reasons to do so far earlier?

Hungary is especially weird. They had general elections just a few weeks ago! Tongue
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« Reply #404 on: May 26, 2014, 12:26:08 PM »

In Denmark the pressure is mounting on the Liberal leader Lars Løkke Rasmussen, but for now it looks like he will try to fight through it.

We can only hope he fight it every step of the way.
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« Reply #405 on: May 26, 2014, 12:27:30 PM »

Why did the Danish Venstre do so poorly anyway? I thought they were polling fairly decently, especially in national polls.
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« Reply #406 on: May 26, 2014, 12:31:45 PM »

There's now been pressure for Nick Clegg to resign as leader of the Lib-Dems. Doubt it will come to much, but if you watch a couple of recent interviews, he almost looks like he's close to a breakdown. I feel sorry for him Sad .
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« Reply #407 on: May 26, 2014, 12:35:31 PM »

Why would anyone feel sorry for Nick Clegg? Huh
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« Reply #408 on: May 26, 2014, 12:42:44 PM »

Why did the Danish Venstre do so poorly anyway? I thought they were polling fairly decently, especially in national polls.

Until recently, they polled fairly decently around 27 % in national polls. Then came the most recent expenses scandal regarding their leader, which have brought them down a few points in the most recent polls and negatively affected their EP campaign.

Additionally, the issue of paying child benefits to EU citizens have been quite a hot topic for months which have roused anti-EU sentiments, and convinced a lot of Liberal voters to vote DF, especially in these EU elections. See more in the Great Nordic thread.
Also the DF front runner was very popular while the Liberal front runner was not very convincing. DF front candidate Morten Messerschmidt has broken the record for the most personal votes ever. Currently his tally is on 420 000 and when every vote has been counted it is expected to land around 460 000. Meanwhile the Liberal front runner selection has been quite chaotic. First, the current MEP Jens Rohde, who looks like he will get the second Liberal seat, was to lead them again, but a newspaper comment he co-authored days before the confirmation meant that he was deselected for being to eurointegrationist. Then political spokesperson Ellen Thrane Nørby, who would have been a decent candidate, was chosen but resigned when she became pregnant. They ended up with Ulla Tørnæs, a long-time MP and former Minister, but without much charisma or enthusiasm.
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« Reply #409 on: May 26, 2014, 12:44:32 PM »

Why did the Danish Venstre do so poorly anyway? I thought they were polling fairly decently, especially in national polls.

Because of Lars Løkke Rasmussen's complete lack of judgement in letting other people pay for his luxuries. Ekstra Bladet (a centre left  tabloid) ran first an article serie before the municipality election about him letting GGGIhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Green_Growth_Institute paying for 1st class travel and a trip for his daugther to Rio, when they ran a campaign about him lying about the latter a month ago, only for them ending it with a campaign about how Venstre had for his clothing and his wife and son's trip to Spain (the last pissed the members of Venstre extra off). By foreign standards it's small amounts (but Danes really hate to pay for others luxuries). So the last week before the election the medias attack Venstre, while Venstre fought their own little civil war, LA and the Conservatives fueled the fire, while the centre-left and left just smiled and let LLR and Venstre hang themselves with a little help from their friends.
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« Reply #410 on: May 26, 2014, 12:45:01 PM »

Why would anyone feel sorry for Nick Clegg? Huh

Well, as much as I loathe the man, I do feel sorry for the predicament he's in. In the space of four short years, he's gone from being the leader of the wave of the future to being at the helm of a bedraggled and bickering crew of survivors, helpless as their ship, battered by endless storms, disintegrates around them. Of course there are reasons for that, and one can argue as to whether or not it's a good thing, but I can't help but feel a twinge of pity for him, as his troops abandon him and the hyaenas begin to circle. If (and they probably will) the Liberal-Democrats receive a bad beating in 2015, all he'll be remembered for is as a failure. That's not much of a future for him.
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« Reply #411 on: May 26, 2014, 12:55:05 PM »

If Fredrik Reinfeldt hadn't been the incumbent PM (and it wan's a bit too late to rock the boat before the General Election) yesterday's catastrophic results might have very well have sent him packing.



If (and they probably will) the Liberal-Democrats receive a bad beating in 2015, all he'll be remembered for is as a failure. That's not much of a future for him.


It's a hard business, politics. It's a very thin and delicate line between becoming a hero and a laughing-stock.   
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« Reply #412 on: May 26, 2014, 01:02:55 PM »


Seriously? He'll be knocking around for decades as 'Former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg - Elder Statesman', will sit on this quango and that quango and as many corporate boards as he feels like. He will quite probably get a seat in the House of Lords. He might well end up returning to Brussels and becoming a Eurocrat. He deserves absolutely no sympathy whatsoever.
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« Reply #413 on: May 26, 2014, 01:05:07 PM »

Quite a few resignations already around Europe after some poor EP2014 showings.

Leader of the Irish Labour Party Eamon Gilmore

May also have been due to absolute maulings (deserved, very deserved) in local elections and in two by-elections.
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« Reply #414 on: May 26, 2014, 01:06:23 PM »


Seriously? He'll be knocking around for decades as 'Former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg - Elder Statesman', will sit on this quango and that quango and as many corporate boards as he feels like. He will quite probably get a seat in the House of Lords. He might well end up returning to Brussels and becoming a Eurocrat. He deserves absolutely no sympathy whatsoever.

True, but if was thinking more in terms of his 'legacy' and how he'll be viewed in the future.
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« Reply #415 on: May 26, 2014, 01:07:09 PM »

True, but if was thinking more in terms of his 'legacy' and how he'll be viewed in the future.

Why should anyone care about that?
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« Reply #416 on: May 26, 2014, 01:07:59 PM »


ÖDP is one of my favourite parties. Which was the other one?
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« Reply #417 on: May 26, 2014, 01:10:29 PM »
« Edited: May 26, 2014, 01:15:19 PM by CrabCake »

The only way Clegg moves now is if a party elder (Steel, Campbell, Kennedy, Williams or Ashdown) decides to put him out of his misery. Which they won't, because no-one really wants the poisoned chalice of leading a party in electoral meltdown, riveted with identity issues.

True, but if was thinking more in terms of his 'legacy' and how he'll be viewed in the future.

Why should anyone care about that?

Well, he was the first Liberal leader in government since WWII and he fluffed it. The failure to reform FPTP and Lords has to sting him to his core; as does the fact that he inadvertently fuelled Euroscepticism (the EU is his main political love) .


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« Reply #418 on: May 26, 2014, 01:19:43 PM »

True, but if was thinking more in terms of his 'legacy' and how he'll be viewed in the future.

Why should anyone care about that?

Oh trust me, I don't care about it. But it must be gutting for him. At the risk of sounding a little sentimental, I think that, too often, a lot of people simply take the view that politicians are a bunch of soulless automatons who don't believe a word of what they say and are only in politics for their own self-aggrandisement. To be fair, that's probably true in a lot of cases. But I think that we should remember that politicians do have dreams (rather like Mr. Banks in 'Mary Poppins'), and crushing for them to see them fade and die. To take the Mary Poppins analogy further, Nick Clegg has, by and large (at least in positive terms) failed to carve his niche in the edifice of time, instead he's been brought to quite literal wrack and ruin. I for one don't see why one shouldn't be able to feel pity for anybody who ends up in a situation like that, even if one doesn't particularly like them.
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« Reply #419 on: May 26, 2014, 01:55:24 PM »

True, but if was thinking more in terms of his 'legacy' and how he'll be viewed in the future.

Why should anyone care about that?

Oh trust me, I don't care about it. But it must be gutting for him. At the risk of sounding a little sentimental, I think that, too often, a lot of people simply take the view that politicians are a bunch of soulless automatons who don't believe a word of what they say and are only in politics for their own self-aggrandisement. To be fair, that's probably true in a lot of cases. But I think that we should remember that politicians do have dreams (rather like Mr. Banks in 'Mary Poppins'), and crushing for them to see them fade and die. To take the Mary Poppins analogy further, Nick Clegg has, by and large (at least in positive terms) failed to carve his niche in the edifice of time, instead he's been brought to quite literal wrack and ruin. I for one don't see why one shouldn't be able to feel pity for anybody who ends up in a situation like that, even if one doesn't particularly like them.

He made his own bed...
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« Reply #420 on: May 26, 2014, 02:51:04 PM »

Oh wait... with all votes counted it changed again, lol

PO: 32,13%
PiS: 31,78%
SLD-UP: 9,44%
NP: 7,15%
PSL: 6,8%

No change in number of seats won
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« Reply #421 on: May 26, 2014, 03:02:00 PM »

Will the far right get his group?

I guess the UKIP and Afd will never caucuse with them.
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« Reply #422 on: May 26, 2014, 03:33:30 PM »

So how exactly did the Greens come within 1200 votes of winning a seat in Dublin?
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« Reply #423 on: May 26, 2014, 03:40:20 PM »

High-income protest vote.
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« Reply #424 on: May 26, 2014, 03:41:03 PM »

Will the far right get his group?

I guess the UKIP and Afd will never caucuse with them.
FN, FPÖ, PVV, VB, LN and SD would join them, but problem is to get additional seat. They'll need to choice to accept one of far-far-right people (NPD, Jobbik or Golden Dawn) or try to take ANEL from ECR or accepting DUP.
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