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Peter the Lefty
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« Reply #475 on: May 27, 2014, 03:54:20 PM »

The Swedish Prime Minister Reinfeldt will not support Juncker.
That's.  Any given reason?
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« Reply #476 on: May 27, 2014, 03:55:28 PM »

Interest would be a lot lower in European parties.

This is actually an immense understatement.
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« Reply #477 on: May 27, 2014, 03:56:47 PM »

Interest would be a lot lower in European parties.

This is actually an immense understatement.

Plus, presumably, as long as we're still democracies, national parties will still be allowed to contest.

UKIP versus the German socialists?

Recipe for dissolution of the EU.
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« Reply #478 on: May 27, 2014, 04:23:34 PM »

The Swedish Prime Minister Reinfeldt will not support Juncker.
That's.  Any given reason?
It was reported in the news that Cameron could conviince him to join him and Orban.
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« Reply #479 on: May 27, 2014, 04:34:33 PM »

The Swedish Prime Minister Reinfeldt will not support Juncker.
That's.  Any given reason?
It was reported in the news that Cameron could conviince him to join him and Orban.

Cameron's working with Victor Orban? Jesus wept.
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« Reply #480 on: May 27, 2014, 04:57:32 PM »

UKIP turned down the Sweden Democrats. Lol.

Also, Le Pen is hoping to get some Eastern European I guess? Maybe the Poles?
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« Reply #481 on: May 27, 2014, 05:45:03 PM »

To Comrade Sibboleth and EPG:  Don't you think the people should know what they're voting for?  Shouldn't the ballots at least have the names of the European parties their MEPs will join once elected?  Do Forza Italia voters for example know they're voting for EPP?  It just seems that voters are being deceived which contributes to the feeling that Eurocrats don't want the people to know what is really happening in Brussels.
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« Reply #482 on: May 27, 2014, 06:04:16 PM »

To Comrade Sibboleth and EPG:  Don't you think the people should know what they're voting for?  Shouldn't the ballots at least have the names of the European parties their MEPs will join once elected?  Do Forza Italia voters for example know they're voting for EPP?  It just seems that voters are being deceived which contributes to the feeling that Eurocrats don't want the people to know what is really happening in Brussels.

If S&D wants to run candidates in the UK, S&D should run candidates in the UK. They don't. Why? Because nobody cares strongly about the S&D party in the UK compared to the British Labour Party, so they wouldn't win seats against Labour. Libertas won, what, one seat when it ran across the EU? It's not easy.
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« Reply #483 on: May 27, 2014, 07:29:44 PM »

The likeliest party to "take the plunge" would be the Greens IMO.
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« Reply #484 on: May 27, 2014, 09:56:24 PM »

Marine Le Pen should try to get maybe one of Germans, like ÖDP or FAMILIE. Korwin-Mikke is too libertarian to be one of her group. Or she should go "pragmatical" and accept Jobbik, at least.
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« Reply #485 on: May 27, 2014, 10:19:58 PM »

Marine Le Pen should try to get maybe one of Germans, like ÖDP or FAMILIE. Korwin-Mikke is too libertarian to be one of her group. Or she should go "pragmatical" and accept Jobbik, at least.

The ÖDP is a center-right ecologist party. What it would do with Le Pen?
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« Reply #486 on: May 27, 2014, 10:22:45 PM »

Yepp.

Maybe the EAF gets the Sweden Democrats back on board somehow ...
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« Reply #487 on: May 28, 2014, 03:45:23 AM »

Yepp.

Maybe the EAF gets the Sweden Democrats back on board somehow ...

Unlikely, some of the parties in there are a bit too controversial for them, I think.

I'm not really sure why UKIP are so negative towards SD. They're by no means more radical than the Danish People's Party, so if they can be accepted in EFD, and even ECR I'm not sure why Ferage has a problem with SD. Besides, if the Danes and Finns leave for ECR, won't EFD have to find new people to cooperate with in order to reach the 7 countries requirement?
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« Reply #488 on: May 28, 2014, 04:32:40 AM »

The likeliest party to "take the plunge" would be the Greens IMO.

The Green group is the European Parliament will be severely damaged because of the desertion of several nationalist parties to their respective ideologies.
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« Reply #489 on: May 28, 2014, 04:35:33 AM »

Yepp.

Maybe the EAF gets the Sweden Democrats back on board somehow ...

Unlikely, some of the parties in there are a bit too controversial for them, I think.

I'm not really sure why UKIP are so negative towards SD. They're by no means more radical than the Danish People's Party, so if they can be accepted in EFD, and even ECR I'm not sure why Ferage has a problem with SD. Besides, if the Danes and Finns leave for ECR, won't EFD have to find new people to cooperate with in order to reach the 7 countries requirement?

Apparently they are quite negative about the Young Sweden Democrats.
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But as you say they really can't be too picky regarding partners if DF and Finns move to the ECR.

http://euobserver.com/eu-elections/123712
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« Reply #490 on: May 28, 2014, 05:07:46 AM »

The European Council decided not to nominate Juncker at this meeting and instead tasked council chief Herman Van Rompuy with exploring who could fill top EU posts and gather a majority in the European Parliament. Van Rompoy said: "I will hold talks with the new leaders of the groups and of course I will also discuss with Juncker". The existing political groups of the Parliament will have constitued themselves by the 19 June at latest, which should give them some time to negotiate before the next European Council meeting at 26-27 June, where the Council could nominate a candidate. If they do that, then there could be hearings in the EP and further negotiations before a vote in the EP on the 16 July.

Right now it seems that Cameron, Orbán and Reinfeldt are the main opponents of the Juncker, the latter probably more because of the process than the candidate. Hollande and Renzi seem to be more focused on policies than persons right now, while Merkel has been quite vague in her statements. A potential outcome, I reckon, could be a compromise with Juncker as Commission President but with some clear policy concessions to Italy and France and Social Democrats in a number of the most important Commission positions including the High Representative. I don't think many of the leaders will have problems with voting down Orbán or dead man walking Reinfeldt, but the question is what to do with the UK. Especially Merkel would not want to alienate the UK, but there is probably not many who want to go really far to help the British either. Perhaps some sort of concessions on the potential negotiations before a referendum or on financial regulation, but with the moves that Cameron has already made, a Juncker presidency would look like a clear defeat for him.

http://euobserver.com/eu-elections/124401

http://www.eppgroup.eu/news/The-European-elections:-what-happens-now%3F
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« Reply #491 on: May 28, 2014, 05:29:36 AM »

Marine Le Pen should try to get maybe one of Germans, like ÖDP or FAMILIE.

Realistically, the only German party which would be willing to join with Le Pen is the NPD and that's it. Even the AfD wouldn't do it. And certainly not ÖDP or Family. The ÖDP is currently headed by a guy who originally was a member of the youth wing of the CSU, but ultimately left this party because he considered them too conservative.
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« Reply #492 on: May 28, 2014, 05:33:04 AM »

To Comrade Sibboleth and EPG:  Don't you think the people should know what they're voting for?  Shouldn't the ballots at least have the names of the European parties their MEPs will join once elected? 
They do it in the Netherlands for example, but it's probably not mandatory.
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« Reply #493 on: May 28, 2014, 05:35:15 AM »

Marine Le Pen should try to get maybe one of Germans, like ÖDP or FAMILIE. Korwin-Mikke is too libertarian to be one of her group. Or she should go "pragmatical" and accept Jobbik, at least.

Front National + Jobbik.
What would be the name of the group? "Nazi 2.0 - The revenge"?
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« Reply #494 on: May 28, 2014, 07:12:25 AM »

Seriously, you can stop fantasizing about Jobbik joining Le Pen. Just type Jobbik in Google Images if you don't understand why.
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« Reply #495 on: May 28, 2014, 08:08:24 AM »

Seriously, you can stop fantasizing about Jobbik joining Le Pen. Just type Jobbik in Google Images if you don't understand why.

Yeah, even Le Pen doesn't want such bad publicity.
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« Reply #496 on: May 28, 2014, 08:39:09 AM »
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You must also understand that aboard  FN is often seen as similar crazy military group.
Well that's bullsh**t, there isn't much more to say.
You can compare the FN in France, the PVV in Netherlands or the UDC in Switzerland.
The NPD, Golden Dawn or Jobbik are in another category. Do you also think that the Jobbik and the PVV could work together?
I am not trying to argue here, just to explain.

You can also forget about the UKIP not willing to work with the FN because they are antisemitic as Farage says, that's also bullsh**t. Both parties have the same stance on immigration, islam or Europe. The huge difference between them right now is on economy where the FN is statist (De Gaulle's way) and the UKIP wants less state intervention.
The FN has a terrible image in the UK which is not totally justified. Note that I am not complaining about it: it prevents the FN and the UKIP from working together, which is good thing because they could be really annoying.
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« Reply #497 on: May 28, 2014, 08:43:10 AM »

Both Jobbik and Le Pen want to join Eurasian Union (Putinistas) so that would not be problem. You must also understand that aboard  FN is often seen as similar crazy military group.

True, but the basis for Marine Le Pens whole political project is to give them a more moderate image and rebrand them as mainstram right wing populists.
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« Reply #498 on: May 28, 2014, 09:10:05 AM »

Whoever ends up commission president is going to be a massive compromise. Taking party seat numbers from euobserver.com:

EPP - 213
S&D - 191
ALDE - 64
Others - 64
Greens/EFA - 52
ECR - 46
GUE/NGL - 42
Non-Iscrits - 41
EFD - 38

There's no ready made coalition that can get up to 376 votes. Doesn't help that people with no party affiliation hold at the moment 105 seats. But even if EPP and S&D formed a grand coalition, that's only 404 votes and these are parties in the very loosest sense of the word, a few "backbencher" political parties can go against their party and vote against commission president.
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« Reply #499 on: May 28, 2014, 09:49:19 AM »

what plausible candidate is acceptable to the center-right, center-left, liberal, and green representatives in the European Parliament? it's not Jean-Claude Juncker of Luxembourg
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