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Question: who WILL be on the field first/who SHOULD be on the field first
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wife beater/wife beater
 
#2
pot head/wife beater
 
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wife beater/pot head
 
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pot head/pot head
 
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Author Topic: who will be on the field first:Ray Rice or Josh Gordon  (Read 1668 times)
Paul Kemp
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« on: July 28, 2014, 03:56:26 PM »

2 freaking game suspension.....for wife beating.  Meanwhile, Justin Blackmon may never play again....for smoking pot.

I mean, Blackmon's got a few DUI's under his belt as well...

But yea, the Rice thing is obviously ludicrous and shows that the idea that Goodell is a strong disciplinarian is selective at best. Compare what he gave Rice for doing something heinous on camera to what he gave Ben for alleged actions...

Goodell's whole reign is a sham and is riddled with clear double standards - especially with the health issues.
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Paul Kemp
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2014, 08:43:12 PM »

While I don't think there's any racial bias by the league, the only thing that would cause enough uproar among the public over the drug policy would be a white starting quarterback being suspended for a marijuana test.

I tend to believe that Ray Rice would have gotten a longer suspension than 2 games if his fiancee was a blonde, white woman but maybe that's just me...

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Paul Kemp
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2014, 02:55:31 PM »

The Ravens need a new PR team.

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Paul Kemp
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2014, 02:57:17 PM »

Also relevant is the NFL's backwards drug testing system.
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Paul Kemp
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2014, 11:23:40 AM »

The video of Rice actually punching his fiancee in the face and knocking her out has been released. It's on all the sites if you really want to watch. I didn't but I suppose it confirms the worst. The Ravens and the NFL both look horrible, even worse than before, and need to re-evaluate their priorities ASAP.

Officials from other teams think the Ravens may release Rice now but I'm not sure. May be giving that organization too much credit. Obviously I hope they do and he never plays another snap in the league but who knows...

In Gordon's case, the league is working with the Union to reach a new agreement which some believe could allow Gordon, as well as Welker and other plays who were suspended for PED and drug offenses, to play this year. I'm skeptical but I picked up Gordon in my fantasy league just in case.
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Paul Kemp
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2014, 12:34:31 PM »
« Edited: September 08, 2014, 12:37:27 PM by Paul Kemp »

I have to roll my eyes at the fake moral outrage by some people over Rice. People are reacting because it was on tape, NFL players have done far more heinous things to women and they have brushed it off and continue to support the league.



Ok? Your point is...? Perhaps this situation carries more weight exactly because it is on film and there is no doubt about it. No "he said, she said" - it's all right there, clear as day. Keep in mind that knowing this footage exists, the team continued to support him whole heartedly. The response or lack thereof from law enforcement is also worrying. 

What is "fake" about being upset at an awful crime committed on video?

Also, please cite examples to your latter claim. I think I may be familiar with a few - none like this exactly - but I'm not sure you are...
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Paul Kemp
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2014, 12:59:06 PM »

I have to roll my eyes at the fake moral outrage by some people over Rice. People are reacting because it was on tape, NFL players have done far more heinous things to women and they have brushed it off and continue to support the league.



Ok? Your point is...? Perhaps this situation carries more weight exactly because it is on film and there is no doubt about it. No "he said, she said" - it's all right there, clear as day. Keep in mind that knowing this footage exists, the team continued to support him whole heartedly. The response or lack thereof from law enforcement is also worrying.  

What is "fake" about being upset at an awful crime committed on video?

Also, please cite examples to your latter claim. I think I may be familiar with a few - none like this exactly - but I'm not sure you are...

It shouldn't and that is my point. Greg Hardy was found guilty of assaulting his girlfriend, yet there is no one out there saying the Panthers should release Greg Hardy(who played yesterday). Why, because it wasn't caught on tape.

People are reacting to the tape, not the crime itself. You take away the tape and everything plays out the same(Rice takes the same plea deal), he doesn't even get suspended and no one would really care.

Domestic violence has been a problem in the NFL for a while now. Like the Sterling debacle, it shouldn't have taking a tape for people to finally speak up about it.  

Ok, it shouldn't have taken video for people to speak out but is it really a problem if it is?

I think most people who are "outraged" were even before the tape was released. I mean, Goodell's hand was pretty much forced by public opinion to make harsher penalties.
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Paul Kemp
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2014, 01:27:39 PM »

I have to roll my eyes at the fake moral outrage by some people over Rice. People are reacting because it was on tape, NFL players have done far more heinous things to women and they have brushed it off and continue to support the league.



Ok? Your point is...? Perhaps this situation carries more weight exactly because it is on film and there is no doubt about it. No "he said, she said" - it's all right there, clear as day. Keep in mind that knowing this footage exists, the team continued to support him whole heartedly. The response or lack thereof from law enforcement is also worrying. 

What is "fake" about being upset at an awful crime committed on video?

Also, please cite examples to your latter claim. I think I may be familiar with a few - none like this exactly - but I'm not sure you are...

It shouldn't and that is my point. Greg Hardy was found guilty of assaulting his girlfriend, yet there is no one out there saying the Panthers should release Greg Hardy(who played yesterday). Why, because it wasn't caught on tape.

People are reacting to the tape, not the crime itself. You take away the tape and everything plays out the same(Rice takes the same plea deal), he doesn't even get suspended and no one would really care.

Domestic violence has been a problem in the NFL for a while now. Like the Sterling debacle, it shouldn't have taking a tape for people to finally speak up about it. 

Ok, it shouldn't have taken video for people to speak out but is it really a problem if it is?

I think most people who are "outraged" were even before the tape was released. I mean, Goodell's hand was pretty much forced by public opinion to make harsher penalties.


I doubt it, Jovan Belcher killed his wife and then himself during a domestic dispute and that barely raised a conversation about domestic violence in the NFL. Hell, the fact the Greg Hardy and Ray McDonald played yesterday without much backlash says to me the Rice case is all about the video, and not really the crime.


What is on video is the crime though... What is your point exactly here? That there is a double standard? That isn't news. People obviously respond differently when there is visible evidence.

Anyway,

Looks like the Ravens actually did release Ray Rice. Not going to congratulate them for making the obvious move, especially since they showed such support in the aftermath.
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Paul Kemp
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2014, 01:55:27 PM »

I have to roll my eyes at the fake moral outrage by some people over Rice. People are reacting because it was on tape, NFL players have done far more heinous things to women and they have brushed it off and continue to support the league.



Ok? Your point is...? Perhaps this situation carries more weight exactly because it is on film and there is no doubt about it. No "he said, she said" - it's all right there, clear as day. Keep in mind that knowing this footage exists, the team continued to support him whole heartedly. The response or lack thereof from law enforcement is also worrying.  

What is "fake" about being upset at an awful crime committed on video?

Also, please cite examples to your latter claim. I think I may be familiar with a few - none like this exactly - but I'm not sure you are...

It shouldn't and that is my point. Greg Hardy was found guilty of assaulting his girlfriend, yet there is no one out there saying the Panthers should release Greg Hardy(who played yesterday). Why, because it wasn't caught on tape.

People are reacting to the tape, not the crime itself. You take away the tape and everything plays out the same(Rice takes the same plea deal), he doesn't even get suspended and no one would really care.

Domestic violence has been a problem in the NFL for a while now. Like the Sterling debacle, it shouldn't have taking a tape for people to finally speak up about it.  

Ok, it shouldn't have taken video for people to speak out but is it really a problem if it is?

I think most people who are "outraged" were even before the tape was released. I mean, Goodell's hand was pretty much forced by public opinion to make harsher penalties.


I doubt it, Jovan Belcher killed his wife and then himself during a domestic dispute and that barely raised a conversation about domestic violence in the NFL. Hell, the fact the Greg Hardy and Ray McDonald played yesterday without much backlash says to me the Rice case is all about the video, and not really the crime.


What is on video is the crime though... What is your point exactly here? That there is a double standard? That isn't news. People obviously respond differently when there is visible evidence.

Anyway,

Looks like the Ravens actually did release Ray Rice. Not going to congratulate them for making the obvious move, especially since they showed such support in the aftermath.

IMO, that is a problem. There shouldn't be a double standard, if we are all going to call for Rice to lose his job, the same should happen to a guy like Hardy, whom was convicted also.

A tape shouldn't make a difference.

Obviously but it did. Hopefully it sets a new precedent and the other scumbags will be addressed in accordance with that.
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