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« on: May 19, 2014, 08:25:02 PM »

If Clinton didn't run for whatever reason, how would an Elizabeth Warren/Sherrod Brown ticket do?
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 09:37:21 PM »

Good, excellent ticket. Sen. Sherrod Brown could play well in the Appalachian region, especially in KY, WV. Plays well in the Midwestern region and could seal the deal especially in Ohio and could play well in Eastern Iowa (Dubuque especially) with the working class votes. The ticket may be too progressive, but would be formidable. Republicans would attack this ticket a lot, though.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 10:06:10 PM »

That would be nice.
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 10:30:30 PM »

Switch the places on the ticket and I think it'd be electable.
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 11:13:08 PM »

I totally get the enthusiasm for Warren from the Left, but she would seriously energize the Wall Street wing of the GOP to open up its pocketbook, and I don't see her as electable.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2014, 10:39:39 AM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 10:59:36 AM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2014, 11:12:02 AM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide.

Labels aside, her views are fairly mainstream though. America is pretty liberal on most issues.

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It could backfire. Look at the anti-Obamacare ad spending dwarfing 10 times over pro-Obamacare ad spending. Yet repeal remains an unpopular enough position that Republicans are avoiding saying their position on it.

Anyway, Warren's denial of interest sounds sincere. She never pursued politics and only ran for senate after a campaign by others to draft her. Seems overwhelmingly likely Hillary will run and be the nominee, but I won't be surprised to see her borrow some of Warren's messaging, even in the general election (like Obama did en route to a 4 point win) and to consider Brown for VP.
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2014, 11:17:11 AM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

If the Democratic Party is going to cater to Wall Street and special interests, there's no reason for us to nominate anyone. 

That's the problem with our party.  We need to stop being fatalistic and trying to win by moderation.  Obama showed that if you have a strong message and candidate, you can win with progressive policies.  If we're going to actually matter, we need to change the conversation and change what is politically acceptable in America.  Obama's 2008 platform was to the left of John Kerry in 2004 and it didn't seem to cost Obama at all.

Elizabeth Warren may not be the right candidate to win in 2016, sure.  But, as Democrats, we can't write off her message about economic opportunity and fighting back against the big banks, insurance companies, oil companies and big special interests.  That needs to be our message in 2016, whether our candidate is Hillary Clinton or someone else.
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2014, 11:40:58 AM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

Yes we do. If they're not pissed off then we're not challenging them, and at that point we're just conservatives in liberal clothing.
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2014, 12:36:55 PM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

we'll never know until we try.

seriously, when was the last time the democrats nominated a leftist?
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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2014, 12:49:28 PM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

we'll never know until we try.

seriously, when was the last time the democrats nominated a leftist?

That sounds like Republican logic for nominating Ted Cruz. "When's the last time Republicans nominated a far right nutjob? We won't know unless we try!"

The thing is, "trying" in this case means potentially handing the presidency to the Republicans for at least 4 years and possibly more. I'm not willing to take that risk, not at this point at least.
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2014, 01:11:17 PM »

For a second I thought that was referring to Scott Brown XD
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2014, 01:32:42 PM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

we'll never know until we try.

seriously, when was the last time the democrats nominated a leftist?

That sounds like Republican logic for nominating Ted Cruz. "When's the last time Republicans nominated a far right nutjob? We won't know unless we try!"

The thing is, "trying" in this case means potentially handing the presidency to the Republicans for at least 4 years and possibly more. I'm not willing to take that risk, not at this point at least.

The last time the GOP nominated a far-right nut job they lost in a landslide. To someone as or more liberal than Warren. Even if she were against a moderate Republican nominee, the GOP would need all that Wall Street money to distort Warren's view lest swing voters realize they mostly agree with her.

Anyway, I assum both Brown and Warren stay in the senate but campaign for Hillary.
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2014, 01:51:58 PM »

Please please please nominate Elizabeth Warren.

Please please please nominate Ted Cruz.
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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2014, 02:14:03 PM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

we'll never know until we try.

seriously, when was the last time the democrats nominated a leftist?

That sounds like Republican logic for nominating Ted Cruz. "When's the last time Republicans nominated a far right nutjob? We won't know unless we try!"

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because if we nominate Glorious Leader Hillary the rethuglican party will be destroyed forever, amirite?
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2014, 02:23:08 PM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

we'll never know until we try.

seriously, when was the last time the democrats nominated a leftist?

That sounds like Republican logic for nominating Ted Cruz. "When's the last time Republicans nominated a far right nutjob? We won't know unless we try!"

2004
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because if we nominate Glorious Leader Hillary the rethuglican party will be destroyed forever, amirite?

Bush ran as a "compassionate conservative".

And I never said that. But it's pretty obvious to all but the most delusional Hillary haters that she has a massive electability advantage over any other Democrat.
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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2014, 02:27:25 PM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

we'll never know until we try.

seriously, when was the last time the democrats nominated a leftist?

That sounds like Republican logic for nominating Ted Cruz. "When's the last time Republicans nominated a far right nutjob? We won't know unless we try!"

2004
ie the last time they won



Bush ran as a "compassionate conservative".
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because if we nominate Glorious Leader Hillary the rethuglican party will be destroyed forever, amirite?[/quote]And I never said that. But it's pretty obvious to all but the most delusional Hillary haters that she has a massive electability advantage over any other Democrat.
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2014, 02:29:43 PM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

we'll never know until we try.

seriously, when was the last time the democrats nominated a leftist?

That sounds like Republican logic for nominating Ted Cruz. "When's the last time Republicans nominated a far right nutjob? We won't know unless we try!"

2004
ie the last time they won



Bush ran as a "compassionate conservative".
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because if we nominate Glorious Leader Hillary the rethuglican party will be destroyed forever, amirite?
And I never said that. But it's pretty obvious to all but the most delusional Hillary haters that she has a massive electability advantage over any other Democrat.
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a name-recognition advantage.*
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http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/joe-biden-favorable-rating
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2014, 03:41:05 PM »

Far too liberal to play nationwide. Furthermore, Warren at the top of the ticket will be an invitation to Wall Street and other special interests to just open the floodgates against Warren. You will see Democrats get out raised like you've never seen in presidential history. You don't want to piss the big money off.

we'll never know until we try.

seriously, when was the last time the democrats nominated a leftist?

That sounds like Republican logic for nominating Ted Cruz. "When's the last time Republicans nominated a far right nutjob? We won't know unless we try!"

2004
ie the last time they won

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because if we nominate Glorious Leader Hillary the rethuglican party will be destroyed forever, amirite?

Bush ran as a "compassionate conservative"
In 2000
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2014, 04:13:24 PM »

Could only win against a hard-boiled Tea Party ticket.
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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2014, 04:16:43 PM »

Tickets made up of Senators who beat popular incumbents by wide margins and who have had electoral success in Ohio are notoriously unelectable.
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2014, 04:40:57 PM »

What specifically is radical about Elizabeth Warren's politics?  How is she more radical than say Scott Walker or Chris Christie?
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2014, 05:59:35 PM »

What specifically is radical about Elizabeth Warren's politics?  How is she more radical than say Scott Walker or Chris Christie?

She isn't, but that's the premise that most political watchers have adopted.
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2014, 06:08:02 PM »

What specifically is radical about Elizabeth Warren's politics?  How is she more radical than say Scott Walker or Chris Christie?

The media has already labelled Warren as "the Democratic Ted Cruz". I doubt there's any convincing them otherwise.
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