SENATE BILL: Public Ownership Act of 2014 (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: TNF

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I'm all for nationalization, and I hope my colleagues on the right as well as the President see the light on this issue. We can't let our energy sector be run by the Almighty Dollar.

[TNF]

The point of this bill is to bring the essential elements of our economic foundation under public ownership. This bill will allow for the backbone of the economy to remain on a stable footing.

[DC Al Fine]

3. All privately-held iron and steel companies shall be brought into public ownership effective upon the passage of this legislation.

Is it retro day in Atlasia or something?

Not much to add to this one. I'll be voting against it.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Somehow I get the feeling this bill won't become law any time soon. There's always the next election...

[Lumine]

I'm not necessarily opposed to nationalisation in some specific and particular cases (as the privatization of certain areas of my country has brought some pretty ugly consecuences), and so the energy proposal has some potential to me, but this act goes too far, and I don't even want to think on what the economical consecuences will be. I will vote against it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would like to see sub-region (regions within state like Triangle, triad, Charlotte Metro here in NC) co-ops be created to bring competition to the big dogs like Duke Progress Energy, which has a virtual monopoly.

But my whole goal is to decentralize not centralize under big gov't instead of big business. So I am against this proposal.

[Adam Griffin]

Even though I support all of these, I personally think this is too omnibus to pass. I've always supported energy nationalization - and I think it could pass this chamber on its own - but I'm a bit doubtful of 6 of us coming to a consensus on also nationalizing steel, iron and transportation along with it.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Even though I support all of these, I personally think this is too omnibus to pass. I've always supported energy nationalization - and I think it could pass this chamber on its own - but I'm a bit doubtful of 6 of us coming to a consensus on also nationalizing steel, iron and transportation along with it.

We can try with this, and if it doesn't work we can always break it down into its constituent parts.

[TNF]

I am open to amendments to that affect, Adam and Alfred.

[Goldwater]

It should come as a surprise to no one that I am opposed to this.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The point of this bill is to bring the essential elements of our economic foundation under public ownership. This bill will allow for the backbone of the economy to remain on a stable footing.

I would prefer to see the backbone of our economy able to stretch and roam free, to develop alternative and diverse energy resources and technologies, not loaded down by bureaucracy and stuck in a monopolistic morass.

[TNF]

The point of this bill is to bring the essential elements of our economic foundation under public ownership. This bill will allow for the backbone of the economy to remain on a stable footing.

I would prefer to see the backbone of our economy able to stretch and roam free, to develop alternative and diverse energy resources and technologies, not loaded down by bureaucracy and stuck in a monopolistic morass.

Of course the energy sector is already monopolized and steered by a private sector bureaucracy that erects barriers to entry and keeps out alternative energies (which is why we've had to essentially legislate them into existence), but don't let that get in the way of your self-righteous "muh markets" nonsense.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The point of this bill is to bring the essential elements of our economic foundation under public ownership. This bill will allow for the backbone of the economy to remain on a stable footing.

I would prefer to see the backbone of our economy able to stretch and roam free, to develop alternative and diverse energy resources and technologies, not loaded down by bureaucracy and stuck in a monopolistic morass.

Of course the energy sector is already monopolized and steered by a private sector bureaucracy that erects barriers to entry and keeps out alternative energies (which is why we've had to essentially legislate them into existence), but don't let that get in the way of your self-righteous "muh markets" nonsense.

Whatever obstacles private sector alternative energy and transportation meets, at least it is not currently illegal as you would have it.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The point of this bill is to bring the essential elements of our economic foundation under public ownership. This bill will allow for the backbone of the economy to remain on a stable footing.

I would prefer to see the backbone of our economy able to stretch and roam free, to develop alternative and diverse energy resources and technologies, not loaded down by bureaucracy and stuck in a monopolistic morass.

Of course the energy sector is already monopolized and steered by a private sector bureaucracy that erects barriers to entry and keeps out alternative energies (which is why we've had to essentially legislate them into existence), but don't let that get in the way of your self-righteous "muh markets" nonsense.

Whatever obstacles private sector alternative energy and transportation meets, at least it is not currently illegal as you would have it.

Energy should not be produced to feed the private sector monopolies (which you do not seem to oppose) but the people.

[Deus Naturae]

The point of this bill is to bring the essential elements of our economic foundation under public ownership. This bill will allow for the backbone of the economy to remain on a stable footing.

I would prefer to see the backbone of our economy able to stretch and roam free, to develop alternative and diverse energy resources and technologies, not loaded down by bureaucracy and stuck in a monopolistic morass.

Of course the energy sector is already monopolized and steered by a private sector bureaucracy that erects barriers to entry and keeps out alternative energies (which is why we've had to essentially legislate them into existence), but don't let that get in the way of your self-righteous "muh markets" nonsense.

Whatever obstacles private sector alternative energy and transportation meets, at least it is not currently illegal as you would have it.

Energy should not be produced to feed the private sector monopolies (which you do not seem to oppose) but the people.

Out of curiosity, which energy companies do you believe possess monopolies?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The point of this bill is to bring the essential elements of our economic foundation under public ownership. This bill will allow for the backbone of the economy to remain on a stable footing.

I would prefer to see the backbone of our economy able to stretch and roam free, to develop alternative and diverse energy resources and technologies, not loaded down by bureaucracy and stuck in a monopolistic morass.

Of course the energy sector is already monopolized and steered by a private sector bureaucracy that erects barriers to entry and keeps out alternative energies (which is why we've had to essentially legislate them into existence), but don't let that get in the way of your self-righteous "muh markets" nonsense.

Whatever obstacles private sector alternative energy and transportation meets, at least it is not currently illegal as you would have it.

Energy should not be produced to feed the private sector monopolies (which you do not seem to oppose) but the people.

We have promoted policies over the past several years to diversify energy options and protect consumers in Atlasia.  If you have any suggestions to further promote competition and choice in the energy sector, I'm all ears.

[bore]

My rule of thumb is if there is a natural monopoly and it's a public service then it should be in public hands, or, at the very least quasi public hands. So I would support nationalising railways, bus routes in cities, hospitals, schools and probably most power plants as well. What I can categorically say is I don't support nationalising steel and iron companies anymore than I support nationalising paperclip production. With that said, I'm offering an amendment:

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Also, why does the IDS get such lopsided representation? Is it some sort of bribe to yankee

[TNF]

Amendment is friendly

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The point of this bill is to bring the essential elements of our economic foundation under public ownership. This bill will allow for the backbone of the economy to remain on a stable footing.

I would prefer to see the backbone of our economy able to stretch and roam free, to develop alternative and diverse energy resources and technologies, not loaded down by bureaucracy and stuck in a monopolistic morass.

Of course the energy sector is already monopolized and steered by a private sector bureaucracy that erects barriers to entry and keeps out alternative energies (which is why we've had to essentially legislate them into existence), but don't let that get in the way of your self-righteous "muh markets" nonsense.

Whatever obstacles private sector alternative energy and transportation meets, at least it is not currently illegal as you would have it.

Energy should not be produced to feed the private sector monopolies (which you do not seem to oppose) but the people.

We have promoted policies over the past several years to diversify energy options and protect consumers in Atlasia.  If you have any suggestions to further promote competition and choice in the energy sector, I'm all ears.

I don't care about choice, Sen. Shua, sir. I just have an inherent distrust of the profit motive (that is how one becomes a Laborite, after all).

[Cincinnatus]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I object, on the grounds that there is no such natural monopoly with regards to railroads.

[Cincinnatus]

Objection filed by Yankee.  A vote is now open on the aforementioned amendment by bore.  Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Aye.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That is amendment 61:29 by bore (see lame duck thread for explanation. )


and NAY