SENATE BILL: Public Ownership Act of 2014 (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It's difficult to just manufacture increased competition, though. I think we can all agree that it's very difficult for there not to be an oligopoly or a monopoly in many of these industries because of the high infrastructure costs associated with an entrance to the industry.

Unlike TNF, I don't oppose a market-based solution on principle, but I do oppose it based on the manifested outcome of such a system.

If there were a way to have a massively competitive market in these industries, I would support it. But there's not, so I can't support a market solution.

I would contend that in the South and Midwest there has been some mimimal level of success with regards to electricity and such using co-ops, but granted it is not widespread. I figure if your goals is goose something a direction, I would much prefer the gov't medlling to be in the direction of underming rather than facilitating the concentration of power (politically speaking) and resources.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Forgot how big this was so:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Here is something I thought up earlier.


You create a Public Corporation (like Amtrak or PBS whaterver those are called) and have it build new production facilities. It could then sell power to sub-regional power co-opts and transmit the power over the Smart Grid that we are building as I recall.

Power is power, the oil companies share pipelines, so why couldn't power companies share power lines. If you put so many kilowatts on the grid, you can then sell that many kilowatts at the other end.

Would this work?

[TNF]

Here is something I thought up earlier.


You create a Public Corporation (like Amtrak or PBS whaterver those are called) and have it build new production facilities. It could then sell power to sub-regional power co-opts and transmit the power over the Smart Grid that we are building as I recall.

Power is power, the oil companies share pipelines, so why couldn't power companies share power lines. If you put so many kilowatts on the grid, you can then sell that many kilowatts at the other end.

Would this work?

I would actually be fine with this approach. My electricity is provided by a co-op that draws energy from the TVA, and I think it's a fine model, provided said co-ops are given a monopoly on energy distribution.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I was hoping for a competative model, but at least now there is some basis to proceed with a structure that can work.


Tyrion, what are your thoughts if not necessairly on the competative aspect, but on the Public Corporation plus Co-Op idea as a structure?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Speaking of areas where the government has a public corporation competing with private ones, can we make Fox News a coop to see what will happen?

[President Tyrion]

I was hoping for a competative model, but at least now there is some basis to proceed with a structure that can work.


Tyrion, what are your thoughts if not necessairly on the competative aspect, but on the Public Corporation plus Co-Op idea as a structure?

The idea that co-ops could be a part of the process is something I would certainly support. I wouldn't mind a competitive model to that end, so long as the infrastructure needs are publicly funded, which I'm seeing is your desire as well.

How would we write it up in an amendment?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What is the present status of the smart grid that is being built? And who owns that?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Are we doing anything else with this or is it time to vote?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators, a vote on final passage of the underlyin bill is now at vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


I'll introduce a text by the weekend on the power idea I discussed above. Indeed, in almost ten days only that has generated any discussion at all.

[Goldwater]

NAY

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

NAY

[TNF]

Can I object to a final vote? I was preparing an amendment...

[Lumine]

Nay.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Aye.

[Cincinnatus]

Can I object to a final vote? I was preparing an amendment...

I can stop the final vote if you have the amendment prepared.

[TNF]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It reverses the insufficient changes that bore made regarding railroads for one thing.

Cincy?

[Cincinnatus]

In light of TNF's recent amendment, the final vote will be halted.

[Cincinnatus]

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Feedback: Origination
Status: 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You have to give an objectio nperiod after the halting of a vote, if I recall correctly.

[Cincinnatus]

You have to give an objectio nperiod after the halting of a vote, if I recall correctly.

I missed a proposed amendment, even if it was after the final vote started. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Thee amendment has been adopted.


Can we start a new final vote?

[TNF]

I am fine with going forward now, yes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators this bill is now at final vote, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.