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« on: May 23, 2014, 03:07:34 PM »

That being, of course, the singularly scary Andrew Cuomo.  Obviously I didn't like the man before, but this adds to the list of ways in which he should be opposed by anyone even vaguely leftish on economics.  (I mean, they didn't even mention his giving away the store on redistricting!)

Article is a bit stale by now, at least on internet time, but is worth everyone's time all the same.  (Meant to post it awhile ago and forgot.)

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But, of course, going to bat for social issues and big donors has given him this reputation...

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2014, 03:38:26 PM »

He sounds like an FF.
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2014, 04:20:09 PM »


Of course he does, to you.  Tongue  I respect that.  My question is, why would he ever be an FF to progressive and/or leftist Democrats, especially those who are concerned about nominating someone congenial in 2016?

Dude makes Hillary look good, is what I'm sayin'.  At least he should to anyone paying attention. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2014, 04:36:48 PM »

True Leftists should be more grateful that Hillary will save us from a Cuomo nomination/presidency.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2014, 04:43:26 PM »

True Leftists should be more grateful that Hillary will save us from a Cuomo nomination/presidency.

Cuomo is the one person with the capacity to turn me into a frothing True Leftist.

Hillary is basically cowpox to me.  I don't like her, I'd vote for Sanders or Biden or someone else in the primary if given a choice... but her candidacy might be necessary inoculation against worse things.
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2014, 04:59:34 PM »

We all know that politicians take positions that they don't actually believe in.  I think that applies to almost every politician ever.  There are progressive Democrats in swing districts that moderate their views because they need to in order to win.  We ought to accept that to an extent because pure ideas don't count for much if you don't have the power to implement your ideas.

What Cuomo does is moderate his ideas in order to make governing New York state easy for Andrew Cuomo.  You don't see the idea that he's compromising to get a Democratic agenda passed.  He just caters to the moderate Republican in the suburbs 100% of the time.  That voter in New York state accounts for the 60%-70% support for Cuomo.  If you always make that group happy, governing is easy.  You get enough Democratic support because of party unity and you get Republicans by giving them the farm. 

That's why I'm never voting for Andrew Cuomo.  Hillary Clinton is a pragmatic progressive.  Andrew Cuomo is a pragmatic Andrew Cuomo-ist.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2014, 05:23:49 PM »

What's wrong with cutting the corporate tax? Cutting business taxes just seems like good economic policy in general, and NY is ranked as the State with the worst tax climate for businesses. Well, we were, but we've actually moved up as a direct result of Cuomo's tax cuts (the honor now belongs to New Jersey). Repealing the AMT was also a good idea.

Also, what exactly is the purpose of a bank tax? I hate big banks as much as the next guy, but what's the tax supposed to accomplish (other than getting votes)?


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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2014, 05:26:31 PM »

I like the guy. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2014, 05:26:47 PM »

True Leftists should be more grateful that Hillary will save us from a Cuomo nomination/presidency.

I surely hope. I'd genuinely consider voting Republican if Cuomo got the nom.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2014, 05:33:12 PM »

Why? Surely it'd be the same thing?
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2014, 05:40:45 PM »

True Leftists should be more grateful that Hillary will save us from a Cuomo nomination/presidency.

I surely hope. I'd genuinely consider voting Republican if Cuomo got the nom.

I'd vote Cuomo just for SCOTUS, but yeah, he's pretty horrid.
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2014, 06:00:02 PM »

True Leftists should be more grateful that Hillary will save us from a Cuomo nomination/presidency.
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2014, 06:02:32 PM »

Why? Surely it'd be the same thing?

Because it paves the way for a real Democrat.
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2014, 06:46:56 PM »

Why? Surely it'd be the same thing?

Because it paves the way for a real Democrat.

We're far better off with 4 years of Cuomo than 4 years of a Republican. For example, Cuomo would veto a repeal of Obamacare, but I'm not sure that any Republican would in 2017.
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2014, 07:04:12 PM »

What's wrong with cutting the corporate tax? Cutting business taxes just seems like good economic policy in general, and NY is ranked as the State with the worst tax climate for businesses. Well, we were, but we've actually moved up as a direct result of Cuomo's tax cuts (the honor now belongs to New Jersey). Repealing the AMT was also a good idea.

Also, what exactly is the purpose of a bank tax? I hate big banks as much as the next guy, but what's the tax supposed to accomplish (other than getting votes)?



Taxes both make money and in the long term small changes like these generally don't have much of a beneficial multiplier effect. Look at Florida; we try to tax only tourists and the only new jobs are health care and Burger King.
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2014, 07:30:08 PM »

Cuomo 2016
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2014, 07:49:15 PM »

I fail to see the problem with this. Wink
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2014, 07:53:26 PM »

Any Democrt who voted Cuomo budget should be primaried.
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2014, 08:09:21 PM »

What's wrong with cutting the corporate tax? Cutting business taxes just seems like good economic policy in general, and NY is ranked as the State with the worst tax climate for businesses. Well, we were, but we've actually moved up as a direct result of Cuomo's tax cuts (the honor now belongs to New Jersey). Repealing the AMT was also a good idea.

Also, what exactly is the purpose of a bank tax? I hate big banks as much as the next guy, but what's the tax supposed to accomplish (other than getting votes)?


It's not that simple though.  New York State is never going to compete with Texas by having lower taxes.  Part of the way Cuomo is paying for those tax cuts is raiding the MTA.  If our subway and bus system for getting people to their evil banker jobs doesn't work, those companies aren't going to want to locate in New York City.
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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2014, 09:39:46 PM »

He's pretty right-wing as New York Republicans go.
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2014, 01:24:14 AM »

Why? Surely it'd be the same thing?

Because it paves the way for a real Democrat.

We're far better off with 4 years of Cuomo than 4 years of a Republican. For example, Cuomo would veto a repeal of Obamacare, but I'm not sure that any Republican would in 2017.

You really think the NY State Assembly would vote to repeal Obamacare?
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2014, 03:37:43 AM »

Any Democrt who voted Cuomo budget should be primaried.

Good idea!
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2014, 08:19:58 PM »

There's plenty to dislike about Cuomo - especially as far as transportation is concerned - but you don't need to look any farther than the Joe Bruno retrial a couple of weeks ago to realize how much worse things can get in this state. By our standards any politician who isn't a modern-day George Washington Plunkitt is decent.

Even if Spitzer had sex with a hooker every night, he'd still be a better governor than Cuomo.
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2014, 09:05:27 PM »

I mean he's decidedly awful, but considering his opponent isn't someone who literally advocated for concentration camps for the poor, I'm not supporting him this time around.
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2014, 09:14:57 PM »

Hopefully someone good runs against him.

Wikipedia lists a potential primary challenger.

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