SENATE BILL: The Bicameral Birthing Amendment of 2014 (sent to the Regions?)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ok, Adam, but if we do 7 in the House, 5 in the Senate, that's a short term gain of only two offices. With semi-presidentialism, that's basically the status quo, but bicameral.

I think that's a good short term solution while we work out the kinks of consolidation.

I'm just trying to avoid there being two forms of opposition: those who don't want consolidation, and those who don't want bicameralism. That's like making a pitch right on the corner of the strike zone. Since there are two directions in which it could be not a strike, it's less likely to be called a strike than pitches equally as far from the center of the strike zone in either the x- or z- directions.

Semi-Presidential could be a third form of opposiiton, though, no?

Well, it already exists, no?

I thought you meant expanding it further to compensate for the net increase.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Griffin and Duke are right in terms of the purpose behind this Amendment. I mean if consolidation were to be tried in the failing regions and fail again, then maybe you can consider the Tyrion alternative of trying to effectuate a bicameralist approach absent such at that point.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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2. Article 1, Section 4 of the Third Constitution of Atlasia is amended to read:

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Section 3: The Addition of the House

1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Third Constitution shall be entitled “The House” and shall read:
   

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Section 4: House Districts and Elections

1. Article 1, Section 9 of the Third Constitution shall be entitled “Elections to the House” and shall read:

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Status: A vote is now open on the above amenment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[President Tyrion]

Nay

I can't accept the net increase of offices, and I think I'm coming around to agreeing with Griffin's point of view on the holistic process.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

You all are going to have to deal with me haunting the Senate if we don't get this passed before I leave office. I've tried once unsuccessfully to ram this plan down the throats of all Atlasians, I want to see yet another attempt through!

[Adam Griffin]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You all are going to have to deal with me haunting the Senate if we don't get this passed before I leave office. I've tried once unsuccessfully to ram this plan down the throats of all Atlasians, I want to see yet another attempt through!

Before he passed back in March, my mom's fiancee/boyfriend stated what he wanted in the event of his death or he would haunt her if she didn't. As she said. "GOOD!" Though she did follow his wishes I would add.

The incentive is flawed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'll hold off for now.

[bore]

Nay

[TNF]

Nay

[Lumine]

Nay.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Nay

I think we should have either some at-large Senators or an open-list PR House.

[Goldwater]

NAY

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

how about an originalist approach?

each regional legislature elects a senator, and the house is elected in districts.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE


Yes this is flawed in key ways (too many offices for one) but I don't want this to be unanimous and I want people to feel that there ideas are welcomed.

Vote on Amendment 61:66 by Tyrion:

Aye (1): NC Yankee
Nay (7): Adam Griffin, bore, Goldwater, Lumine, shua, TNF and TyriontheImperialist
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): Alfred F. Jones and DC al Fine

The amendment is rejected. Okay back to duties and election methods for the House. 

[Prince of Salem]

I'll sponsor the amendment unless someone really wants it for some reason.

Thank you, Senator ^^

AYE


Yes this is flawed in key ways (too many offices for one) but I don't want this to be unanimous and I want people to feel that there ideas are welcomed. 

Thank you, Senator ^^

I'll consider all the arguments given. I still feel it was really good for a first try, though. I'll come back when I have another idea.

The lowest I'd go in the House is 9, 7 is too few. And we should have an even number of senators so the VP can continue to break ties, since I think that alone makes that position relevant.

As others have said, this goes into effect if we consolidate the regions, otherwise, we may as well continue on with the same old status quo we've lived with for years.

Three very good points, Mr. President ^^

[President Tyrion]

Thank you, Mr. Jomcar, and I hope our nitpickiness does not scare you off

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

PEOPLE SPEAK!!!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Do we pin down the House method first and if so do we need an amendment vote to make a firm decision on that point?


OR is everyone on board with PR?

[Lumine]

Do we pin down the House method first and if so do we need an amendment vote to make a firm decision on that point?


OR is everyone on board with PR?

Well, I would be on board with PR, just like others have stated before.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So then all we need is an amendment that places PR in the text, no?

[Adam Griffin]

So then all we need is an amendment that places PR in the text, no?

But the real question is: what type of PR?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is why people get frustrated with the Senate.


Then what type of PR do prefer if everyone is one board with it in some form?

[TNF]

I would prefer closed-list PR.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

How does closed list work?