SENATE BILL: The Bicameral Birthing Amendment of 2014 (sent to the Regions?)

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The administration is fine with an 11 member house. I had argued for less so we'd have more competitive elections, but I won't oppose something larger assuming we don't enact this with a 5 region country.

I would be more supportive of an all region senate and all at-large house. I like balance. And for you anti-regionalists, the at-large seats almost out number the regional seats 2 to 1! How about that!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This vote ends tomorrow night.

[President Tyrion]

The administration is fine with an 11 member house. I had argued for less so we'd have more competitive elections, but I won't oppose something larger assuming we don't enact this with a 5 region country.

I would be more supportive of an all region senate and all at-large house. I like balance. And for you anti-regionalists, the at-large seats almost out number the regional seats 2 to 1! How about that!

Well, we don't know what the House is meant to be doing, yet.

[bore]

Offering an amendment:

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2. Article 1, Section 4 of the Third Constitution of Atlasia is amended to read:

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Section 3: The Addition of the House

1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Third Constitution shall be entitled “The House” and shall read:
   

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Section 4: House Districts and Elections

1. Article 1, Section 9 of the Third Constitution shall be entitled “Elections to the House” and shall read:

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[Lumine]

Seems I got here late, I was going to offer the same amendment as Bore, xD

Overall, I believe an eleven-member House and a fully regional Senate it's a good compromise for both sides in this issue, and it can only increase the chances of passing this bill. While the activity issue still worries me, I will of course vote for that amendment.

[Adam Griffin]

Bore's amendment is friendly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

June 03, 2014, 09:21:03 pm (10:21 PM EDT)


Good thing I will be on tomorrow morning. Or Cincy, probably Cincy.


I support the bore amendment, but you might want to leave that last line in and just change it from one to two.

I think it is a carryover designed to prevent a Region from trying to take more then there fair share like the Pacific tried to do back in 2011.

[bore]

June 03, 2014, 09:21:03 pm (10:21 PM EDT)


Good thing I will be on tomorrow morning. Or Cincy, probably Cincy.


I support the bore amendment, but you might want to leave that last line in and just change it from one to two.

I think it is a carryover designed to prevent a Region from trying to take more then there fair share like the Pacific tried to do back in 2011.

Good point. Seeing as the amendment is already being processed, whoever offers the next amendment should offer that as well, to avoid wasting time on processing.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 61:39 by Lumine:

Aye (4): DC al fine, Goldwater, Lumine and NC Yankee
Nay (5): Adam Griffin, Alfred F. Jones, bore, TNF and TyriontheImperialist
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): shua

The amendment has been rejected.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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2. Article 1, Section 4 of the Third Constitution of Atlasia is amended to read:

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Section 3: The Addition of the House

1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Third Constitution shall be entitled “The House” and shall read:
   

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Section 4: House Districts and Elections

1. Article 1, Section 9 of the Third Constitution shall be entitled “Elections to the House” and shall read:

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[Cincinnatus]

Amendment 61:46 has been adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah feedback, Adam?


So as for duties.

Should the Senate have sole responsbility for confirmations as more of a Cigar, Brandy and British accent crowd, or should the unwashed masses also have a say in the matter as well?

[Lumine]

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So as for duties.

Should the Senate have sole responsbility for confirmations as more of a Cigar, Brandy and British accent crowd, or should the unwashed masses also have a say in the matter as well?

I recommend leaving confirmations only to the Senate, we certainly don't want to duplicate the time we need to pass the Cabinet officers to make the process more complicated. We could give the Senate more powers in regards to foreign policy (ratifying treaties, like in OTL) as well.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Maybe have it mirror the US house and senate? Or at least have bills pass the house first and then go to the senate for the next step? I'm not sure if we want to have matching bills back and forth like we do in the US or if we could keep up with such a thing.

Obviously, we can't have both sides doing whatever because then we've never know where things were going.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Anyone else have any ideas they want to add?

I thought that bills could start in the House and then be sent to the Senate for final changes and a final vote before it became law. The VP would act as a liaison between both houses. The House would elect a speaker and the senate would retain its non-partisan PPT as I laid out in my plan.

If we decide to also want both houses to pass the same bill before it's signed by the President, we can, we just will have less bills and more debate than we do now, which might not be a bad thing considering the lack of bills in the queue.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I think if we're to have two houses we should keep it (relatively) simple and have them both pass bills.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Right, but we can't have them both passing independent bills free of input from each branch because they may contradict each other. That wouldn't work at all.

[President Tyrion]

Anyone else have any ideas they want to add?

I thought that bills could start in the House and then be sent to the Senate for final changes and a final vote before it became law. The VP would act as a liaison between both houses. The House would elect a speaker and the senate would retain its non-partisan PPT as I laid out in my plan.

If we decide to also want both houses to pass the same bill before it's signed by the President, we can, we just will have less bills and more debate than we do now, which might not be a bad thing considering the lack of bills in the queue.

Yes, I like this. I don't think a pure American system is tenable because there isn't enough time in the day to have bills go back and forth to ensure the same version is passed by both houses.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Anyone else have any ideas they want to add?

I thought that bills could start in the House and then be sent to the Senate for final changes and a final vote before it became law. The VP would act as a liaison between both houses. The House would elect a speaker and the senate would retain its non-partisan PPT as I laid out in my plan.

If we decide to also want both houses to pass the same bill before it's signed by the President, we can, we just will have less bills and more debate than we do now, which might not be a bad thing considering the lack of bills in the queue.

Yes, I like this. I don't think a pure American system is tenable because there isn't enough time in the day to have bills go back and forth to ensure the same version is passed by both houses.

That was my thought as well. If we do the mirror rule, we'd cut down severely on the amount of bills passed per session, so I think A -> B is a more realistic goal. Maybe the VP could work with the PPT and Speaker to make sure the bill is acceptable before it's sent to the senate for fear of it being rejected there.

[President Tyrion]

Anyone else have any ideas they want to add?

I thought that bills could start in the House and then be sent to the Senate for final changes and a final vote before it became law. The VP would act as a liaison between both houses. The House would elect a speaker and the senate would retain its non-partisan PPT as I laid out in my plan.

If we decide to also want both houses to pass the same bill before it's signed by the President, we can, we just will have less bills and more debate than we do now, which might not be a bad thing considering the lack of bills in the queue.

Yes, I like this. I don't think a pure American system is tenable because there isn't enough time in the day to have bills go back and forth to ensure the same version is passed by both houses.

That was my thought as well. If we do the mirror rule, we'd cut down severely on the amount of bills passed per session, so I think A -> B is a more realistic goal. Maybe the VP could work with the PPT and Speaker to make sure the bill is acceptable before it's sent to the senate for fear of it being rejected there.

Which I think would be a fun twist of politicking!

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Absolutely, so let's get an amendment to that affect and get this amendment through the senate! I don't have much time left with you all. I want to see this through.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Adam is my above amendment friendly?

[Adam Griffin]

Adam is my above amendment friendly?

This one?

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If so, amendment is friendly.

Sorry for being MIA for the past couple of days; I'll get back in here later tonight with some more thoughts.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Well at least it gave me time to fix the typos, now numbering three in total.