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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2014, 10:32:32 AM »

Almaty will be it. Nursultan the Great will not spare expense.

That is going to be a problem with Winter Games: there are very few Eastern despoties where they could be held. Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Belarus, may be Azerbaijan and...? North Korea would work climatically - but will be boycotted.

It seems to me that every Central Asian state would work except perhaps Uzbekistan.
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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2014, 10:38:16 AM »

Almaty will be it. Nursultan the Great will not spare expense.

That is going to be a problem with Winter Games: there are very few Eastern despoties where they could be held. Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Belarus, may be Azerbaijan and...? North Korea would work climatically - but will be boycotted.

It seems to me that every Central Asian state would work except perhaps Uzbekistan.
Uzbekistan does appear to have a few snowcapped mountains, not sure that they have ski-able mountains though.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2014, 02:49:25 AM »

Almaty will be it. Nursultan the Great will not spare expense.

That is going to be a problem with Winter Games: there are very few Eastern despoties where they could be held. Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Belarus, may be Azerbaijan and...? North Korea would work climatically - but will be boycotted.

It seems to me that every Central Asian state would work except perhaps Uzbekistan.

Kyrgyzstan might have the location, but will never have a dictatorship strong enough to pull it of. Tajikistan has the dictatorship but locations would have to be too remote. Neither of them would have either money or fan base to attempt it, anyway. Turkmenistan I am not even sure has any locations - though it is perfect as far as being a dictatorship is concerned. But, then, it might be too perfect a dictatorship to ever get it. Uzbekistan might, actually, work.
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2014, 01:07:21 AM »

"Finalists" announced:

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/ioc-announces-2022-winter-olympic-finalists/story?id=24452756
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2014, 02:35:16 PM »

Too bad they couldn't get Qatar to hold both the World Cup and the Winter Olympics
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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2014, 02:46:28 PM »

The way forward is to relink "Winter Olympics" with the Olympics.
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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2014, 07:21:29 AM »

Whats the long term future for the Olympics? What are the alternatives beyond setting some country as permanent host so nobody has to bother building new infrastructure?
I was hearing some radio thing the other week saying that they could split up the events.  Have all the Rugby in Paris, Swimming and sh**t in Washington, and other stuff in other cities.  Because with television, why do you even need to be in the same city.  Clearly, if a group was to play another group, they would play in the same time zone.
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« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2014, 12:20:05 PM »

They should split the Summer Olympics into 3 mini-Olympics. Have all the water events (from canoeing to swimming) in one, all the other outdoor events in another and all the indoor events in the third.  This divides it up into about 100 events each, which is just slightly more than the Winter Olympics.
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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2014, 12:44:34 AM »

No frickin way.

If cities aren't prepared to host the summer Olympics, Melbourne can and will. The only venue that would need to be built is rowing/canoe/kayak, along with the Athlete's village.
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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2014, 04:51:26 AM »

No frickin way.

If cities aren't prepared to host the summer Olympics, Melbourne can and will. The only venue that would need to be built is rowing/canoe/kayak, along with the Athlete's village.

It's not that anybody are unwilling to hold the Olympics, they just don't want to give IOC what they demands.
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2014, 11:06:26 AM »

There's very little we'd have to do, though, to meet the IOC's requirements within a year for acceptable. Two plus years for perfect games. Here's a rough plan for a short-notice games, with an eye to avoiding significant construction work:

Core Precinct

MCG: Athletics, Ceremonies. Main stadium of the 1956 Olympics and 2006 Commonwealth Games. 100,000 capacity, no upgrades required other than laying the track. 3-6 months

Melbourne Park: Tennis (final at Margeret Court Arena (3rd show court Australian Open, 6,000 capacity),  Track Cycling (MPV/Hisense Arena, held track world championships a couple of years ago, 2nd show court for the Australian Open, 10,500 capacity), Gymnastics (Rod Laver Arena, did the job during 2006 Commonwealth games, main show court for the Australian Open, 15,000 capacity). Obviously the cycling track and Gymnastics floors need to be added, but no other work required. 3-6 months.

The Glasshouse/Westpac Centre: Water Polo (was the 1956 Olympic Pool with 7,000 capacity, then the pool was covered over and it's used as the HQ of the Victorian Institute of Sport and for an AFL club. Not sure what the current status is, but a pool could be re-added easily enough, and the stands can hold 7,000.) Moderate work required, 6-12 months.

Melbourne Rectangular Stadium/AAMI Park: Organisational HQ,  Holding area, Medical Centre for main precinct, Auxiliary Media Centre. Capacity 33,000, no work required.

Punt Road Oval: Athletics warm-up area, currently used by an AFL team. Have to lay a track, 3-6 months.

Albert Park Precinct (moderately walkable from MCG, but not exceptionally so. Good transport links though)

Melbourne Sports and Aquatics Centre: Swimming, Synchronised Swimming (Outdoor Pool built for the 2006 Commonwealth Games, also used for the World Championships a couple of years later, Capacity 3,000 expandable to about 4,500). No work required, about 12 months for the expansion); Diving (Indoor Pool, also used as swimming warm-up pool, capacity 1,800, no work required); Volleyball (Show court, 1,800 capacity, no work required; along with one of the sports halls, limited spectator capacity (for four active courts, taking away space for cameras etc,, about 100 per court); media centre (three other sports halls, could fit about... 3-4000 journalists, 0-3 months). Also has medical facilities.

The Pits Building: Communications centre (short walk from MSAC, and used annually for the F1 grand prix. 3-6 months

Lakeside Stadium: This isn't a perfect fit, but could be used for outdoor shooting, capacity 14,000. 3-6 months work.

Temporary stands, used for the Grand Prix, can fit tens of thousands. Using about half of them around the lake for Triathlon, open air swimming, and Beach Volleyball. Triathlon course basically Albert Park Lake to St. Kilda beach to Albert Park beach to Albert Park Lake) 0-3 months for all but the Beach Volleyball, which could require either a new building (18-24 months) or a temporary venue that shared the stands used for other events (6-12 months)

Port Phillip: Just a short walk from the lake is the top of Port Phillip, which could (as it did in 1956) easily accomodate the sailing.

City Precinct (very easily accessible from Albert Park and Core precincts)

Docklands Stadium: Rugby Sevens, Football final, auxiliary medical centre, . Capacity 56,000, no work required.

The Icehouse: Currently the National Ice Centre, melt the ice and use it for Handball, Capacity 1,000, 6 months required.

Melbourne Exhibition Centre: Boxing, Taekwondo, and Judo. Capacity in the thousands, hosted Badminton and Weightlifting at the 2006 Commonwealth games. 3-6 months required.

Melbourne Convention Centre: IOC HQ, no work required.

Federation Square/Birrarung: Olympic plazas, link the Core precinct to the CBD. 3-6 months required.

Botanic Gardens/King's Domain: Secondary gathering site, Indoor shooting (Sidney Myer Music Bowl, with temporary stuff added, capacity 2,000)

Arts Centre: Weightlifting and Fencing, capacity across various halls about 5,000, little work required. Not an ideal venue but would do the job well enough. 3-6 months.

Festival Hall: OK, so this place is oldddd, but it is useable for, say, Table Tennis with a capacity of about a thousand. Alternatively give it quite a bit of work and the site is big enough for it being a 3,000 capacity. 3-18 months required.

Werribee Precinct About a 30 minute drive from the other precincts.

National Equestrian Centre: Equestrian Events. 0-12 months.

Werribee Park: Archery. Would need to build temporary stands, 3-6 months; Golf at the Werribee Park Golf Club (not the best course, but better to keep precinctss to a minimum).

Werribee South: Somewhere around here, build the rowing/canoe/kayak course. Maybe the BMX track too At the moment it's largely market gardens but there is plenty of useable land. 2+ years. In the emergency scenario, could need to outsource these to Sydney (vom), especially the whitewater events. Rowing could be held at Albert Park Lake I think, not sure if it's long enough but it wouldn't be far off, although it'd be a very windy/open course.

There is plenty of land around here for the Athlete's village too, if one was to be built. Although if you had time to build and Athlete's village you'd do it over the Jolimont rail yards between the MCG and Federation Square. It's actually the only area that would require significant work in the bid other than the rowing/canoe/kayak venue.

Parkville Precinct Although walkable from the city and MCG, not particularly so.

Princes Park: Football preliminaries, capacity 30,000 plus.

State Netball and Hockey Centre: Basketball (except final, courts capacity 3,000), Hockey (fields, capacity 1,000). No work required. Could add another couple of courts though.

Melbourne University: Weightlifting, Wrestling (yeah, this is a stretch, but doable).

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Mountain Biking in the Dandenongs, Badminton squeezing in somewhere or other - maybe the Convention Centre or somewhere in Geelong Tongue

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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2014, 03:51:41 PM »

First off, I think you've considerably underestimated the demand for seating for several events, such as basketball, volleyball, hockey, and table tennis, and that's not even taking into account the IOC's likely overestimates of how many tickets can be sold.  Secondly, the IOC likes to feel that is has transformed its host cities, as it does not want to think of itself as the parasite it is, so a minimalist bid has zero chance of success unless it is competing only with other minimalist bids.  Thirdly, what about the paraolympics?  Are all those facilities capable of handling disabled athletes adequately?
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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2014, 07:48:36 AM »

I agree that the seating is inadequate for certain events, but it is adequate for a short-notice hosting.

If it was with the full seven years build up, you'd do it quite significantly differently, of course. MSAC would only be used for the aquatics, for example.

All venues are accessible, this is Australia Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2014, 01:43:57 PM »

All venues are accessible, this is Australia Tongue
Accessible for limited numbers is not the same as accessible when there is a plenitude.
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2014, 11:30:30 PM »

Pretty much still not a problem, other than the Arts Centre.
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« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2014, 10:18:27 PM »

*bump*

We're now officially down to just Beijing and Almaty as the only remaining bids:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/02/oslo-withdrawal-winter-olympics-2022-ioc
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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2014, 12:30:25 AM »

I'm glad to see people finally refuse to give giant subsidies to the IOC.  hopefully cities in the USA will begin to take stronger stands against MLB/NFL/NBA heists.
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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2014, 03:14:28 AM »

Hopefully, they will choose Almaty and not Beijing.

The last thing the world needs is another Chinese Olympics.

Does Beijing even have mountains nearby somewhere ?

Or will they destroy a few untouched-from-human areas in Tibet somewhere, rape the wildlife there and forcefully relocate native inhabitants like they did in Sochi ?

Almaty at least has the mountains and ski resorts already nearby.
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« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2014, 06:18:03 AM »

I don't think I would be able to stand the inevitable and constant Borat references if it's in Kazakhstan.
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« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2014, 07:05:03 AM »

I don't think I would be able to stand the inevitable and constant Borat references if it's in Kazakhstan.

Better that than making people endure the air in Beijing.

Does Beijing even have mountains nearby somewhere ?

Yes.  Most of the outdoor events would be held at Zhangjiakou located 190 km northwest of Beijing's core.  Zhangjiakou already has most of the facilities needed.  However the alpine events and the sled events will have new built facilities in Xiaohaituo located 90 km northwest of Beijing's core, tho technically still within Beijing munincipality.
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« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2014, 05:51:52 PM »

If they did China again, they could just use the same buildings they did before.






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« Reply #46 on: October 03, 2014, 06:34:56 PM »

you mean like this one?

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« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2014, 09:22:47 PM »

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Good.  The IOC sucks.  It never works out for the citizens of the city/state, it only works out for the IOC, corrupt local officials and large construction companies (and I suppose the employees).

How could this article have been written in May, when it was only this week that Oslo did in fact back out, after it was clear that the main government party would not commit to sponsoring much of the money needed for the event. It seems like Sweden might still be interested in hosting it though. A TV channel here interviewed many Norwegians on the street this week, and they all seemed excited about the prospect that Sweden might host the games instead of us. Most people though it was about time Sweden would get the chance to host the Winter Olympics.
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« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2014, 11:35:30 PM »

How could this article have been written in May, when it was only this week that Oslo did in fact back out, after it was clear that the main government party would not commit to sponsoring much of the money needed for the event. It seems like Sweden might still be interested in hosting it though. A TV channel here interviewed many Norwegians on the street this week, and they all seemed excited about the prospect that Sweden might host the games instead of us. Most people though it was about time Sweden would get the chance to host the Winter Olympics.

Public opinion polls in Norway were strongly against any national funding for the Olympics.  All Conservative Party decision did was end any slight chance that there would be that funding, and without it, there wasn't enough to fund a Norwegian Games.
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