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« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2014, 02:35:53 PM »

Well? When we will vote on the presidential endorsement?

I'm curious as well, I have a speech written and all, xD
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« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2014, 06:17:46 PM »

The problem is the rules for President are rather flexible as to when and how long, but the Regional Senators are not and the deadline for candidate seekng the Federalist Nomination/Endorsement is the Friday before the election.

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« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2014, 06:20:29 PM »

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I guess we are supposed to use clause 1 for situations like this Presidential race. Okay candidates have 72 hours to declare they are seeking the Presidential Endorsement of the Federalist Party. Candidates have a bit long for Regional Senate Elections, the rules specify the Friday before the election so the deadline to announce is Midnight Friday.
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« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2014, 06:32:45 PM »

The case for nominating SirNick:


Senator Lumine addresses the Federalist Convention on June 9th:


My fellow Federalists,

I come to you as an Atlasian that has been close to the center-right from my very beginnings in this game, even if my membership in this party is quite recent. I come to you to offer my take on the presidential race, now that we face such a crucial decision between two tickets to endorse. I know very well that this election is bound to be competitive and close, and I understand as well that many members of this party feel unhappy with some past events and are also worried about the future of the center-right in Atlasia. But even knowing that some of you would have liked to see a team of two Federalists running for higher office, I wish to advocate for a specific road ahead, a road that I hope it’s acceptable and even perfect for most of you. Thus, I formally nominate SirNick for the Federalist nomination for President, and Dallasfan for the Federalist nomination for Vice-President. SirNick is an Atlasian that has consistently showed skill, determination and the willingness to lead when leadership is needed, he has a considerable amount of experience at most levels of regional and federal government, and his many accomplishments can’t be denied. I feel this party should nominate this ticket and give them the chance to lead and attempt to solve some of the problems that continue to worry many of us, as we all know that Atlasia is facing a crisis one way or another, either by the ghost of inactivity and the rise of potentially harmful policies. They have showed that they can be both bold and reasonable, that they seek progress where we need progress, and not just change for the sake of changing things without a real motive.

Beyond SirNick’s many positive qualities, there’s another matter that we can’t overlook. After two consecutive defeats, the Labor Party is looking to return to the White House, and they seem to be stronger than ever. They control half the Senate, and they stand strong even in light of challenges to their Senators in the upcoming weeks. I believe nobody can deny that the ticket of Gov. DemPGH and Gov. Windjammer is a strong ticket. Both of them are good Atlasians (and Windjammer has been a great friend to me, just as he has been to others) with a good number of accomplishments, and they belong to the moderate and reasonable wing of the Labor Party, that can’t be denied, I say. But alas, the President and the Vice-President don’t govern alone. They govern with a cabinet, and they govern with a party. And when some elements of the extreme wing of Labor introduce proposals to fully nationalize industries, when they call entire groups of people “parasites”, when they advocate the dangerous road of leaving our allies in the world alone and try to lead us to having an even bigger mess in our Health Care policy, then we know that the choice is clear, and we know that there are risks out there in the next Presidential term. And so I ask of you, Federalists, to give your endorsement and your invaluable support to SirNick and Dallasfan and unite the center and the center-right once again to defeat Labor, as we have successfully done so in the past in so many races.

Federalists, let us embrace SirNick as our nominee and get out there to win this election!
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« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2014, 06:44:38 PM »

I'd like to request this party's endorsement for President given the absence of a Federalist in the Presidential race.

As Governor of the Pacific, I have overseen a new constitution, the writing and passage of a new constitution, the writing and passage of a major stimulus bill, the reduction of taxes, and currently I am in the process of trimming the Pacific budget. I think these are items that might endear myself to you. I have been able to work with TPP, Federalists, and Labor in the Pacific. Such will be the case in Nyman. I am to the political left, but I never give up and I always work with those around me.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=193249.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=187112.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=187259.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=191738.0 (I wrote this with Mr. Cranberry)

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=193249.25

I'm attempting to privatize our railroads as a number of northern European countries have done, starting in the late 1980s. We want to have appropriate regulations in place to allow privatization to be safe and effective.

If there are any questions, let me know!

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« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2014, 07:03:38 PM »

Candidate for Northeast Assembly, Rpryor03 Speaks

My fellow Federalists, we once again have an opportunity to take the Northeast Senate Seat. The only candidate we have to defeat the socialistic Senator Bore is Democratic-Republican Deus. The is the most eligible candidate, and I move to endorse Deus for Northeast Senate.
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« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2014, 07:04:14 PM »

I also second the motion to endorse SirNick for President.
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« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2014, 07:56:33 PM »

I Second the motion for Dem PGH, and would like to seek the endorsement for Pac. Gov.
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« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2014, 08:55:21 PM »

Unless there is more thne one Federalist running for a Regional Senator/Executive post, the Federalist running will receive the nominated automatically when the declaration period ends on Friday at Midnight.

All Federalist candidates for Assemblies will be nominated likewise unless there are more candidates than seats up.

Also I open a 72 hour period for Regional Executive/Assembly/Legislative declarations because I foolishly left it out of my earlier post. Wink
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« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2014, 09:09:45 PM »

I thank Rpryor for his support, and would like to humbly request your party for its endorsement. I have already proposed a number of bills that I would introduce if elected. Every one of my proposals centers on the first line of the Federalist Party Mission Statement, "that individuals, not the government, can make the best decisions." If elected, I will work with Federalists to champion policies that empower individuals and communities rather than bureaucratic agencies and large, moneyed interests. In my campaign thread, I lay out specific proposals for tax, regulatory, and monetary reform. I have a plan to allow for more nuclear energy development and production without sacrificing safety standards. I have a plan to free up small farms and allow for greater agricultural production. I have a plan to allow for greater educational innovation and return power to the Regions, a principle which this party holds so dear that it is exemplified in its very name. Finally, I am interested in creating a freer environment for international trade, something which is listed specifically in the Federalist Party Economic Platform. On all of these issues, I look forward to working with Federalist Senators if elected, so that we can forge a path to an Atlasian future of peace, freedom, and Regional rights.
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« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2014, 11:52:19 PM »

As a Former Federalist Chairman, I hope the party endorses the candidate who has a record of fiscally conservative action. Sirnick is someone I have a lot of faith in: he has made the Northeast a place where people go to do business. We need his steady hand on the wheel in order for Atlasia to go in the right direction. Him and Dallasfan will be the best candidate for the interests of the Federalist Party, plain and simple.
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« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2014, 11:56:23 PM »

Endorsing the Labor Nominee is a monstrously awful idea. I refuse to be complicit in a Federalist push to enact the TNF-Labor agenda. I will not support DemPGH and I encourage all Federalists to join me.
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« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2014, 09:09:23 AM »

The case for nominating SirNick:


Senator Lumine addresses the Federalist Convention on June 9th:


My fellow Federalists,

I come to you as an Atlasian that has been close to the center-right from my very beginnings in this game, even if my membership in this party is quite recent. I come to you to offer my take on the presidential race, now that we face such a crucial decision between two tickets to endorse. I know very well that this election is bound to be competitive and close, and I understand as well that many members of this party feel unhappy with some past events and are also worried about the future of the center-right in Atlasia. But even knowing that some of you would have liked to see a team of two Federalists running for higher office, I wish to advocate for a specific road ahead, a road that I hope it’s acceptable and even perfect for most of you. Thus, I formally nominate SirNick for the Federalist nomination for President, and Dallasfan for the Federalist nomination for Vice-President. SirNick is an Atlasian that has consistently showed skill, determination and the willingness to lead when leadership is needed, he has a considerable amount of experience at most levels of regional and federal government, and his many accomplishments can’t be denied. I feel this party should nominate this ticket and give them the chance to lead and attempt to solve some of the problems that continue to worry many of us, as we all know that Atlasia is facing a crisis one way or another, either by the ghost of inactivity and the rise of potentially harmful policies. They have showed that they can be both bold and reasonable, that they seek progress where we need progress, and not just change for the sake of changing things without a real motive.

Beyond SirNick’s many positive qualities, there’s another matter that we can’t overlook. After two consecutive defeats, the Labor Party is looking to return to the White House, and they seem to be stronger than ever. They control half the Senate, and they stand strong even in light of challenges to their Senators in the upcoming weeks. I believe nobody can deny that the ticket of Gov. DemPGH and Gov. Windjammer is a strong ticket. Both of them are good Atlasians (and Windjammer has been a great friend to me, just as he has been to others) with a good number of accomplishments, and they belong to the moderate and reasonable wing of the Labor Party, that can’t be denied, I say. But alas, the President and the Vice-President don’t govern alone. They govern with a cabinet, and they govern with a party. And when some elements of the extreme wing of Labor introduce proposals to fully nationalize industries, when they call entire groups of people “parasites”, when they advocate the dangerous road of leaving our allies in the world alone and try to lead us to having an even bigger mess in our Health Care policy, then we know that the choice is clear, and we know that there are risks out there in the next Presidential term. And so I ask of you, Federalists, to give your endorsement and your invaluable support to SirNick and Dallasfan and unite the center and the center-right once again to defeat Labor, as we have successfully done so in the past in so many races.

Federalists, let us embrace SirNick as our nominee and get out there to win this election!

Hello Lumine, I just thank you for your kind words, we are obviously friends, but this time, we have to disagree Tongue.


Well, firstly, I would like to remind you, Lumine, that we're not TNF. TNF is someone I respect, but that doesn't mean I have the same ideology than him. Firstly, you speak about foreign issues, in our foreign platform, we have clearly said that we will support Ukraine, by helping them economically, and by taking sanctions against Russia. So I don't understand why you believe the election of the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket would be "leaving our ally alone". And every person who knows what I believe on foreign policy, knows as well I'm definitely not an isolationnist or something like that. You have yourself praised our foreign program Lumine,
As someone who was rather curious on the foreign policy of this campaign (as SirNick had already released his ideas), I can certainly support the expressed views on the reform of the United Nations (I took a very similar stance in my Presidential campaign after all), and I am quite happy to see this ticket taking a stand with Senator Alfred and against Senator TNF in the issue of Ukraine.


Now you speak about healthcare Lumine, is it because we support Single Payer? We obviously support single payer, but I would like to remind all of you that Sirnick himself signed the TNF petition (like DemPGH and myself did) for single payer.

And we're not advocating for the nationalization of the industry, neither the Labor Pparty. If I have to break the tie, I will obviously vote no, and if DemPGH has to sign or not this bill, he will obviously veto.

DemPGH and I have written our program by ourselves.

As Governors, we have both easily worked with the Federalist Party. That's why the Federalist Pacific Chairman, Devin, has endorsed our ticket. And Cris voted most of my agenda. We have always respected the Federalists, and we don't plan to suddenly change on that.

DC and Lumine are buddies to me for a long time, I have good relations with Goldwater and Yankee seems to be likable and adept of compromise, if elected, I'm sure I would easily work with the Federalist senators.

DC chose to endorse our ticket, I hope this is another proof that we're not "labor extremists" like some people think, and I hope he will explain you by himself why he endorsed the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket (mostly because he preferred the social moderate pro religious Windjammer, over Dallasfan  who signed the bill legalizing pornography for 5 years old https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=189372.0)

As governor, I would like to remind all of you I sponsored and signed a bill cutting the Midwest Corporate tax by 20% (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=188489.0) and focused on education (tuition, aditionnal funds...). You may disagree with my agenda, but that's definitely not a revolutionnary agenda, much more a reformist agenda. (Oh and I guess I will be attacked on the MW LGBT bill, the goal of this bill was to protect the LGBT community from discrimination, I recognize it was poorly written, but it has never been made to transform the LGBT into a superior class, like Snowstalker believed).

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Now, the second point, I believe that the Federalist Party doesn't seem to see exactly WHO are their current enemies. This is not the Labor Party, or the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket, this is the democrat-republican party.

This is one of the first time, where, except the Midwest regional race, there isn't any fed-labor match up. The Labor Party will even endorse soon Yankee over Maxwell (oh and by the way, this is funny to see that Maxwell is trying to persuade you to support his candidate, considering he has basically backed EVERY federalist opponent: himself, Murray, and even TNF!!!!, of course he has the right to do that, but this is just funny Wink.) You can even be sure that both the D-R candidates won't be backed by the left. If Yankee and DC win reelection, one of the reasons will be that the left would have backed them over their D-R challenger.

However, the D-R party is actually trying to defeat you all they can: In the Mideast and in the South. Ii would like to remind you that this is the party that is strongly backing the Sirnick-Dallasfan ticket. Dallasfan is a member of this party, and Sirnick has clearly endorsed Maxwell over Yankee.

That's why I believe the Federalist Party shouldn't believe the DemPGH/Windjammer, and even the Labor Party, are your enemy. Of course, I wouldn't say thr Labor Party is a friendly party to you, but at least, this isn't the party that is currently trying to completely annihilate you.

And to quote a famous member of the D-R party, who is seeking as well your endorsement:
I say it's time we fight back against the Labor/Federalist assault on small businesses and small farms in Atlasia and return power from corrupt legislators and corporate cartels to everyday people on Main Street, those who form the backbone of our economy.
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« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2014, 10:50:41 AM »
« Edited: June 10, 2014, 11:05:06 AM by Cris »


Former Midwest Representative Cris speaks at the Federalist Convention

My fellow federalists, my fellow atlasians. I'm proudly to speak at our national convention!
An important issue of our convention is the presidential endorsement. I listened with attention all the your speeches and I have appreciated these, especially the speech of Windjammer.
I think that in this election, the very opponent of our party isn't the Labour party, but the Democratic-Republican party. The Labour party is going to endorse our candidates in the Mideast and IDS Senate races. I appreciate very much this, as I not appreciate the fact that some member of  Democratic-Republican party say that SirNick is the best candidate for our interests, against the Labour Party, but (the members of D-R) voting to endorse TNF in the Midwest Senate race! Also Dallasfan is endorsing TNF! I can also say that I like not the Dallasfan signature on the bill that legalizes the pornography for 5 years old?
I've had the privelege to work with my friend Governor Windjammer in the Midwest Althing and I've had no problems to vote his proposal. Windjammer is a great governor, as DemPGH, who was able to lift the Pacific.
DemPGH and Windjammer are of left, but they aren't extreme. I have read the DemPGH/Windjammer platform and I can say that is a interesting platform, expecially the Foreign policy part.
For these reasons, I will vote for endorse the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket.
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« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2014, 10:55:41 AM »

I realize that we have been a tad bit quiet this past weekend, but don't worry, we are the watchers on the wall...(wait, wrong fantasy realm?).

I would just like to quickly say we appreciate being considered for the nomination of both the Federalist Party and the Democratic-Republican Party. While Dallasfan65 will be soon addressing the Democratic Republican Convention, We will refrain from interfering, out of respect, in the Federalist nomination process unless asked to address the convention by their chair. Should the Federalists vote to nominate our ticket, we would accept the nomination and be ever thankful of their confidence and support.

Should anyone have any questions of where we stand on any policy issue feel free to ask Smiley

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« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2014, 10:56:48 AM »

I realize that we have been a tad bit quiet this past weekend, but don't worry, we are the watchers on the wall...(wait, wrong fantasy realm?).

I would just like to quickly say we appreciate being considered for the nomination of both the Federalist Party and the Democratic-Republican Party. While Dallasfan65 will be soon addressing the Democratic Republican Convention, We will refrain from interfering, out of respect, in the Federalist nomination process unless asked to address the convention by their chair. Should the Federalists vote to nominate our ticket, we would accept the nomination and be ever thankful of their confidence and support.

Should anyone have any questions of where we stand on any policy issue feel free to ask Smiley


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« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2014, 11:14:46 AM »

Like in February when there was talk of the Labor endorsing me when I chose to run with the Federalists, I would find it incredibly odd if the Federalists endorsed the Labor Party ticket, and it would put unwanted pressure on their nominee to deliver on things he really has no way of delivering on.

For the sake of competitiveness, if for no other reason, I recommend and encourage the Federalists nominate SirNick for president. He is, after all, The People's Candidate.
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« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2014, 12:04:16 PM »

Governor Riley Keaton takes to the microphone

My friends and fellow patriots,
While we are smart folks with great concern for this country, I believe we are being misled. The Roght and Honorable Windjammer has put forth effort to distance himself and his running mate from the TNF-Lablr agenda. While I admire their political sense, TNF is no Sister Souljah. He's their intellectual godfather.

It is naive of us to believe that the same ticket who resisted our good President's effort in the pacific only to later claim the success of those policies, it is naive to believe that their agenda rests with patriotism and people instead of politics. The Veep nominee for the TNF-Labor agenda is disgusted with the idea of free speech. This is not a harmless decision. We must, as a matter of moral duty, oppose the Labor Party.

To presume that DemPGH will be anything short of a rubber stamp for the TNF-Labor agenda, is to presume too much. We must not allow our country to fall into the hands of such irresponsible, destructive, and ideological children. We must endorse someone who is not of labor origin.
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« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2014, 12:13:10 PM »

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On that we agree, I even mentioned in my speech that you belong to the moderate wing, unlike TNF. Individuals like Alfred, DemPGH and you share some of my foreign policy beliefs, that's true, but once again, I've seen several members of Labor agreeing with TNF in this and some issues, which means I can't judge the party as not being isolationist even it the ticket is in favor of a more active foreign policy.

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Once again, it's more about the party itself than the ticket, even if I will admit some disagreements in that area with both tickets. A few months ago the Labor party was one vote shy of introducing in the platform several projects of nationalization, and so far the Senate is pretty much split among those of us who favor a free market approach that can pay for itself and those who would introduce single payer without even knowing if we can pay for it and if it will work. Difference being that I trust SirNick to take a very close look and withdraw from that position if the GM proves that Single Payer will not work, whereas I can easily see a Labor administration and a Labor Senate passing it anyway.

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I will accept you saying that since we never had problems back when the Progressive Union was around and I recall you being quite friendly, but from other members of your party I would find such a comment a little bit cynical. To portray the Labor Party as a friendly rival is a bit of a lie in light of earlier combative and quite divise rethoric, don't you think? Labor currently has little to none strenght in the South and the Mideast (and you are about to endorse Ben as well), so I don't see how that endorsement is crucial to the survival of Yankee and DC. We are fighting off Democratic-Republican challengers, that's true, but I believe we can still work with them because we share a close ideology. I can't speak up for the entire party, but I believe all of us are willing to work with other center-right and center parties instead of, I don't know, trying to blast them into oblivion as some members of Labor took great pleasure in doing to the Progressive Union and other minor parties.

The heart of the matter is, Windjammer, that as much as DemPGH and you form a reasonable team and have an agenda that is not necessarily radical, you represent the Labor Party, not an independent and open campaign like DemPGH's October effort, and you will have to govern with a party currently split among moderates and radicals with members that will certainly oppose some of the most moderate proposals. The Labor Party is the party whose ideology is the opposite of the Federalist, and the party that has fought Federalists for a long time, often with personal and hyperbolic attacks (while the DR's at least base their attacks on ideology and platform). We're not the radical wing of Labor, you say, and I agree. But the fact remains that that the ticket is still backed by them (I believe TNF was quite enthusiastic this time), and I for one don't wish to give Labor the presidency, even at the hands of two capable candidates.
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« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2014, 12:32:34 PM »

Governor Riley Keaton takes to the microphone

My friends and fellow patriots,
While we are smart folks with great concern for this country, I believe we are being misled. The Roght and Honorable Windjammer has put forth effort to distance himself and his running mate from the TNF-Lablr agenda. While I admire their political sense, TNF is no Sister Souljah. He's their intellectual godfather.

It is naive of us to believe that the same ticket who resisted our good President's effort in the pacific only to later claim the success of those policies, it is naive to believe that their agenda rests with patriotism and people instead of politics. The Veep nominee for the TNF-Labor agenda is disgusted with the idea of free speech. This is not a harmless decision. We must, as a matter of moral duty, oppose the Labor Party.

To presume that DemPGH will be anything short of a rubber stamp for the TNF-Labor agenda, is to presume too much. We must not allow our country to fall into the hands of such irresponsible, destructive, and ideological children. We must endorse someone who is not of labor origin.
I just don't believe that the right of free speech should allow people to insult someone else. You may disagree, but that's hardly a controversial issue...

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And Lumine, thanks again for your kind words. I'm sorry for not having been really clear in my last message, and you don't seem to have completely understood what I wanted to say, that's my fault. So I will try again.

What I wanted to say is that this isn't the Labor Party that is trying to unseat two federalist senators. So that's true for saying we're actually not your enemy, simply because there isn't a single race (except the Midwest senate), where this time, both our parties aren't fighting each other. And as I have already said, the Labour Party isn't a friend to the Federalist Party. But fairly, the Labor Party isn't trying to destroy you, they aren't running candidates against half of your senator.

And even if you seem to disagree with me on this issue, the left isn't the major force in both the mideast and the Pacific, but there are still members, right? So, when two different right fight each other, this is always a good plus to have the support from the left? (irl: see cochran trying to appeal to democrat voters for the run off, see Vance Mcallister winning with the support of the left,...). That's what Ii wanted to say, and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.

Now for the D-R, they're trying to replace the Feds senators, regions where, I agree, the Labor Party would never be able to be competitive. So yep, Ii believe right now, the DR is much more a threat to you, because they're trying to to win in places where you're usually strong, they're trying to replace the typical federalist candidate by their own kind of right.

I hope I have been clearer, I'm sorry if I have failed again.
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« Reply #70 on: June 10, 2014, 12:38:16 PM »

Oh boy, I haven't been attacked like this in a long time Tongue

The only reason Labor isn't trying to knock off Senators Yankee and DC is because they lack structure in either region. If Labor did, they would. And unlike Labor, The D-R's actually agree with the Federalists on a lot of key issues. DemPGH and Windjammer are pragmatic individuals, don't get me wrong, but there is absolutely no question over who would get more accomplished in favor of Federalist policies in the long haul. It's that simple, and attacks on my character are just there to distort the facts.

I will be leaving the floor now.
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« Reply #71 on: June 10, 2014, 01:22:44 PM »

Oh boy, I haven't been attacked like this in a long time Tongue

The only reason Labor isn't trying to knock off Senators Yankee and DC is because they lack structure in either region. If Labor did, they would. And unlike Labor, The D-R's actually agree with the Federalists on a lot of key issues. DemPGH and Windjammer are pragmatic individuals, don't get me wrong, but there is absolutely no question over who would get more accomplished in favor of Federalist policies in the long haul. It's that simple, and attacks on my character are just there to distort the facts.

I will be leaving the floor now.
Attacks on your character? Oh please. The facts that your party is currently trying to unseat 2 federalist senators, and that is the fact as well.

So that was just funny to see you were at the same time advocating for Sirnick, considering you're trying to at the same time to unseat the federalist chairman Tongue.

You can agree with the federalists on many issues, but that doesn't mean that you're not trying to unseat them, and like you said, where the Labor Party didn't try Tongue.
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« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2014, 01:54:25 PM »

This isn't about me, this is about Sirnick. Sirnick and Dallasfan have a terrific records, and unlike the good records of DemPGH and Windjammer, it's one that advocates policies that Federalists have been pushing this whole time. You can make the conversation about how the D-R's are running in elections against Federalists, and you maybe can make some headway on that argument, but that distracts from the substance at the core that DemPGH will be far more likely to sign off legislation that will defeat the principles spelled out in the Federalist Platform.

And I know my views as a Former Federalist Chairman doesn't mean jack anymore, but I think it would be harmful to the party as a whole if the party just backed the Labor candidate, especially when there is another candidate who far better represents what the party stands for.
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« Reply #73 on: June 10, 2014, 02:00:38 PM »

This isn't about me, this is about Sirnick. Sirnick and Dallasfan have a terrific records, and unlike the good records of DemPGH and Windjammer, it's one that advocates policies that Federalists have been pushing this whole time. You can make the conversation about how the D-R's are running in elections against Federalists, and you maybe can make some headway on that argument, but that distracts from the substance at the core that DemPGH will be far more likely to sign off legislation that will defeat the principles spelled out in the Federalist Platform.

And I know my views as a Former Federalist Chairman doesn't mean jack anymore, but I think it would be harmful to the party as a whole if the party just backed the Labor candidate, especially when there is another candidate who far better represents what the party stands for.
I wouldn't ask the federalist party nomination if I believed that the Sirnick/Dallasfan ticket was a ticket that the Feds could easily support, Maxwell. And I believe that's not actually the case. The legalization of pornography made by Dallasfan for 5-years-old for instance Smiley.
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« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2014, 04:20:27 PM »

This isn't about me, this is about Sirnick. Sirnick and Dallasfan have a terrific records, and unlike the good records of DemPGH and Windjammer, it's one that advocates policies that Federalists have been pushing this whole time. You can make the conversation about how the D-R's are running in elections against Federalists, and you maybe can make some headway on that argument, but that distracts from the substance at the core that DemPGH will be far more likely to sign off legislation that will defeat the principles spelled out in the Federalist Platform.

And I know my views as a Former Federalist Chairman doesn't mean jack anymore, but I think it would be harmful to the party as a whole if the party just backed the Labor candidate, especially when there is another candidate who far better represents what the party stands for.
I wouldn't ask the federalist party nomination if I believed that the Sirnick/Dallasfan ticket was a ticket that the Feds could easily support, Maxwell. And I believe that's not actually the case. The legalization of pornography made by Dallasfan for 5-years-old for instance Smiley.

The Federalists I know are not particularly inclined to support the TNF-Labor agenda, which you'll bow to once elected, and they also appreciate their right to free speech. Shouldn't you be busy defending your signature policy initiative in court?
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