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Bull Moose Base
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« on: June 06, 2014, 05:41:29 PM »

The evidence that Ryan is a gigantic underdog against Hillary isn't the 2012 result in Wisconsin, it's that Ryan looks unlikely to run. Is there anyone who isn't a Republican who doubts she'd destroy him?
 
Despite all the TEA talk, the mainstream conservatives are the most powerful and will nominate people like Christie, Portman, Walker, etc. and when the candidates of the moderates and radical cons fall, those groups will fall in line with the Mainstream's candidate, with the Evangelicals putting up a losing fight. We saw this perfectly in 2012, which is why Romney won.

The GOP will nominate a mainstream conservative. Cruz won't go anywhere, other than damage the eventual nominee and the GOP brand (ala 2012).

I'm not sure what mainstream means here but Perry, Cain, Gingrich and Santorum losing was not about them being too conservative. It was about other stuff that doesn't really seem to apply to Cruz.
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Bull Moose Base
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2014, 09:07:17 AM »

The evidence that Ryan is a gigantic underdog against Hillary isn't the 2012 result in Wisconsin, it's that Ryan looks unlikely to run. Is there anyone who isn't a Republican who doubts she'd destroy him?
 
Despite all the TEA talk, the mainstream conservatives are the most powerful and will nominate people like Christie, Portman, Walker, etc. and when the candidates of the moderates and radical cons fall, those groups will fall in line with the Mainstream's candidate, with the Evangelicals putting up a losing fight. We saw this perfectly in 2012, which is why Romney won.

The GOP will nominate a mainstream conservative. Cruz won't go anywhere, other than damage the eventual nominee and the GOP brand (ala 2012).

I'm not sure what mainstream means here but Perry, Cain, Gingrich and Santorum losing was not about them being too conservative. It was about other stuff that doesn't really seem to apply to Cruz.

Other stuff such as…?

Too liberal on immigration, sex scandal, too corrupt, too underfunded.

I mean "mainstream" as in "establishment". I was referring to my post analyzing the GOP primary/general election electorate with all the percentages. The GOP will not nominate a TEA Partier or Evangelical warrior (though GWB did kind of have some of that). They will continue to nominate establishment candidates who are conservative but not radical, as they have been.

Sure but the primary isn't Goldilocks and the bears in that GOP primary voters don't reject candidates for being too conservative. Not saying it's not easier to win with establishment support at your back. It is. Most of that is money, though it only goes so far as Giuliani and Romney 2008 show. What GOP presidential candidates with conventional qualifications were hurt in primaries by being too conservative? I can't think of any. It's true some GOP party leaders loathe Cruz but I'm not sure that'll matter much. His fundraising abilities and Santorum's are night and day.
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