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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2014, 08:59:13 PM »
Quote from: Senator Tyrion on June 14, 2014, 10:29:47 PM
Ok, I'm interpreting Cincy's post as saying there's a vote open, since he literally says there's a vote open.

I didn't even notice his prior post as I saw the amendment declaration and thought we were still debating.


AYE though shua is probably right about the clarity issue.
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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2014, 03:29:29 AM »
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Quote from: Senator Tyrion on June 14, 2014, 10:29:47 PM
Ok, I'm interpreting Cincy's post as saying there's a vote open, since he literally says there's a vote open.

I didn't even notice his prior post as I saw the amendment declaration and thought we were still debating.


AYE though shua is probably right about the clarity issue.

Upon further inspection, I agree and am worried that the current amendment will need to be revisited once again. With this being such a controversial issue, I feel a court case could still easily be filed arguing the actual meaning of the wording. We're going to have to explicitly define the base requirement as the signatures of 50%+1 citizens in a given region, and then stipulate that said threshold has to be replicated for a number of regions equivalent to the majority of regions. I thought I was straightforward in the wording but was not.  As such, I will ABSTAIN and encourage my fellow friends to revisit this issue very shortly and/or change their votes.
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2014, 06:10:41 AM »
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2014, 06:28:07 AM »
Aye.
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2014, 05:45:52 PM »
Alright, I'm halting the final vote, as it seems we still have issues that weren't resolved beforehand.  Let's get this fixed guys.  Oh yeah, and Senators have 72 hours to object to my action.
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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2014, 07:32:20 PM »
« Edited: June 16, 2014, 08:44:31 PM by Sen. Griffin (LAB-NB) »
This is what I introduced last night thinking that the vote was still going through, so I guess I'll introduce it as an amendment here. Please, scrutinize my wording to make sure that this version will hold up:

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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2014, 08:30:13 PM »
Looks good to me, the only minor detail I could find was "is defined", shouldn't it be "shall be defined"?
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2014, 08:44:38 PM »
Quote from: Senator Lumine on June 16, 2014, 08:30:13 PM
Looks good to me, the only minor detail I could find was "is defined", shouldn't it be "shall be defined"?

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« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2014, 11:22:31 AM »
Amendment is friendly.
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« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2014, 08:26:31 PM »
Cincy! the amendemnt? Tongue
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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2014, 03:19:58 AM »
I'm not sure if 50% + 1 is the generally customary wording, but I am not particularly comfortable with it.

I think we should really leave that specificity out and just leave that sentence as:

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My reasoning is that a somewhat rogue reading of the constitution could result in no amendment being passed in regions where there are an odd number of citizens, because 50% + 1 implies an exactitude and not a range like "majority" does.
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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2014, 07:57:58 PM »
Didn't the wording of the ratification process once leave for potential for a 100% requirement to be interpreted from it like last year or something?
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« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2014, 08:18:28 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2014, 10:30:05 PM »
I won't object, but I believe Tyrion's language is closer to what we want.  "50% + 1" suggests that if the vote were for example 39 out of 77 there is no majority since 38 would be less than 50%.
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« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2014, 11:46:08 PM »
I object on the grounds I posted earlier.

I counter-offer the following amendment:

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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2014, 06:33:59 AM »
Adam, are you fine with Tyrion's text?
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2014, 08:48:51 PM »
Well?
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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2014, 07:26:05 AM »
Adam? Cincy?
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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2014, 03:39:39 PM »
Adam, if you prefer Tyrion's amendment I can discard your amendment and we can move forward faster.
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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2014, 01:48:09 AM »
Cincy, contact him directly.
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« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2014, 03:23:25 AM »
Cincy?
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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2014, 04:17:29 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2014, 07:39:28 AM »
Ok, I'm throwing out Griffin's amendment, and I'm going to interpret bore's deference, and Griffin's subsequent silence, as friendly feedback to Tyrion's amendment.
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« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2014, 07:40:55 AM »
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« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2014, 03:29:12 AM »
YOUR ALIVE CINCY, I THOUGHT I LOST YOU!!!
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