Five Reasons China Won't Be A Big Threat To America's Global Power

[Beet]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2014/06/06/five-reasons-china-wont-be-a-big-threat-to-americas-global-power/

What does everyone think of this article? I generally agree with it, but it is more about whether China will eclipse American power. I think it is pretty clear it will not. But that does not mean it cannot do massive damage to the U.S. After all, arguably no American opponent since 1815 has eclipsed the U.S. in power. But many of them (from Nazi Germany down to Iraqi insurgents) caused the U.S. major headaches. Just because China will not eclipse America, doesn't mean there could be a major, major catastrophe if there is a miscalculation if the two countries enter a war.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I disagree with all five of the given reasons but I agree with the conclusion.  The main reason China won't be a threat to America's power is that in general, China seeks the same thing as America in the world, stability.  Save in its own backyard, I don't see any place where China and America are likely to come into conflict, tho there are places elsewhere where they differ on the best means of obtaining stability.

[Simfan34]

The article is bound to be nonsense.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That is terrible news for Ed Miliband

[Zuza]

China can be a threat for American global domination, but in the very long run the USA probably have better prospects. I think the most significant of the mentioned problems of China is it's demographics. Now Chinese population is 4 times larger than that of the USA (and still USA is a superpower while China is not), but by 2100 according to projections that I've seen, this ratio will be closer to 2.5:1. United States will be able to maintain population growth and relatively high share of working age population through immigration, while Chinese population will be increasingly more aged and after several decades will start to shrink. And many areas of China seem to be overpopulated already, so even if Chinese fertility rate will rise to 2+ or China will attract enough migrants from another countries, Chinese populations have relatively little room for growth without causing significant harm for economy and environment.

On the other hand, China have its advantages. For example, Chinese students perform extremely strong in PISA and other tests that measure academic performance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PISA#China (all East Asian nations show high scores, but Chinese results seem to be especially high, considering that most part of China still belongs to the third world). If it is a real sign of exceptional level of Chinese education, China will be able to compensate decreasing numbers of working force with its high quality in the future.

[politicus]

China can be a threat for American global domination, but in the very long run the USA probably have better prospects. I think the most significant of the mentioned problems of China is it's demographics. Now Chinese population is 4 times larger than that of the USA (and still USA is a superpower while China is not), but by 2100 according to projections that I've seen, this ratio will be closer to 2.5:1. United States will be able to maintain population growth and relatively high share of working age population through immigration, while Chinese population will be increasingly more aged and after several decades will start to shrink. And many areas of China seem to be overpopulated already, so even if Chinese fertility rate will rise to 2+ or China will attract enough migrants from another countries, Chinese populations have relatively little room for growth without causing significant harm for economy and environment.

On the other hand, China have its advantages. For example, Chinese students perform extremely strong in PISA and other tests that measure academic performance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PISA#China (all East Asian nations show high scores, but Chinese results seem to be especially high, considering that most part of China still belongs to the third world). If it is a real sign of exceptional level of Chinese education, China will be able to compensate decreasing numbers of working force with its high quality in the future.

In the future population growth will be a problem, not an asset. Underestimating how fundamental this change is going to be is a big mistake.

And yes, China will likely be able to achieve a very high technological level, which will be crucial. The biggest threat to the US is a decline in its educational system. In the future it wont be so easy to attract high skilled people from other countries, since opportunities will be better elsewhere. So you will have to stop wasting so many talents among disadvantaged Americans and the anti-intellectual culture in large parts of the population (and the Republican party) has to decline.

[The Ex-Factor]

The only Chinese kids that are tested on the PISA test are from Shanghai, which is extremely misrepresentative of China as a whole. I know that Wikipedia link says they've tested some Chinese kids from rural provinces and they've tested well as well, but in the lack of hard data it's hard to verify the validity of that claim.

[Antonio the Sixth]

That is terrible news for Ed Miliband

I don't know where this meme originated, but I highly approve of it.

[Beet]

China can be a threat for American global domination, but in the very long run the USA probably have better prospects. I think the most significant of the mentioned problems of China is it's demographics. Now Chinese population is 4 times larger than that of the USA (and still USA is a superpower while China is not), but by 2100 according to projections that I've seen, this ratio will be closer to 2.5:1. United States will be able to maintain population growth and relatively high share of working age population through immigration, while Chinese population will be increasingly more aged and after several decades will start to shrink. And many areas of China seem to be overpopulated already, so even if Chinese fertility rate will rise to 2+ or China will attract enough migrants from another countries, Chinese populations have relatively little room for growth without causing significant harm for economy and environment.

All that proves is that population =/= power. The US is a superpower despite having a much lower population than China or India. It's what you do with the population that counts.

[MaxQue]

China can be a threat for American global domination, but in the very long run the USA probably have better prospects. I think the most significant of the mentioned problems of China is it's demographics. Now Chinese population is 4 times larger than that of the USA (and still USA is a superpower while China is not), but by 2100 according to projections that I've seen, this ratio will be closer to 2.5:1. United States will be able to maintain population growth and relatively high share of working age population through immigration, while Chinese population will be increasingly more aged and after several decades will start to shrink. And many areas of China seem to be overpopulated already, so even if Chinese fertility rate will rise to 2+ or China will attract enough migrants from another countries, Chinese populations have relatively little room for growth without causing significant harm for economy and environment.

On the other hand, China have its advantages. For example, Chinese students perform extremely strong in PISA and other tests that measure academic performance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PISA#China (all East Asian nations show high scores, but Chinese results seem to be especially high, considering that most part of China still belongs to the third world). If it is a real sign of exceptional level of Chinese education, China will be able to compensate decreasing numbers of working force with its high quality in the future.

In the future population growth will be a problem, not an asset. Underestimating how fundamental this change is going to be is a big mistake.

And yes, China will likely be able to achieve a very high technological level, which will be crucial. The biggest threat to the US is a decline in its educational system. In the future it wont be so easy to attract high skilled people from other countries, since opportunities will be better elsewhere. So you will have to stop wasting so many talents among disadvantaged Americans and the anti-intellectual culture in large parts of the population (and the Republican party) has to decline.

And from experience with them in universities, they are very good on tests and about theory, but they usually struggle in front of practical issues, due to the nature of their education system.

[Zuza]

China can be a threat for American global domination, but in the very long run the USA probably have better prospects. I think the most significant of the mentioned problems of China is it's demographics. Now Chinese population is 4 times larger than that of the USA (and still USA is a superpower while China is not), but by 2100 according to projections that I've seen, this ratio will be closer to 2.5:1. United States will be able to maintain population growth and relatively high share of working age population through immigration, while Chinese population will be increasingly more aged and after several decades will start to shrink. And many areas of China seem to be overpopulated already, so even if Chinese fertility rate will rise to 2+ or China will attract enough migrants from another countries, Chinese populations have relatively little room for growth without causing significant harm for economy and environment.

All that proves is that population =/= power. The US is a superpower despite having a much lower population than China or India. It's what you do with the population that counts.

Of course, large population is not the only component of power, but it still matters. If the US would be the size of Montenegro or even Belgium by population, it never would be able to reach superpower position. And, besides decreasing population numbers, low fertility leads to population ageing, which is even worse.

[Zuza]

China can be a threat for American global domination, but in the very long run the USA probably have better prospects. I think the most significant of the mentioned problems of China is it's demographics. Now Chinese population is 4 times larger than that of the USA (and still USA is a superpower while China is not), but by 2100 according to projections that I've seen, this ratio will be closer to 2.5:1. United States will be able to maintain population growth and relatively high share of working age population through immigration, while Chinese population will be increasingly more aged and after several decades will start to shrink. And many areas of China seem to be overpopulated already, so even if Chinese fertility rate will rise to 2+ or China will attract enough migrants from another countries, Chinese populations have relatively little room for growth without causing significant harm for economy and environment.

On the other hand, China have its advantages. For example, Chinese students perform extremely strong in PISA and other tests that measure academic performance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PISA#China (all East Asian nations show high scores, but Chinese results seem to be especially high, considering that most part of China still belongs to the third world). If it is a real sign of exceptional level of Chinese education, China will be able to compensate decreasing numbers of working force with its high quality in the future.

In the future population growth will be a problem, not an asset. Underestimating how fundamental this change is going to be is a big mistake.

And yes, China will likely be able to achieve a very high technological level, which will be crucial. The biggest threat to the US is a decline in its educational system. In the future it wont be so easy to attract high skilled people from other countries, since opportunities will be better elsewhere. So you will have to stop wasting so many talents among disadvantaged Americans and the anti-intellectual culture in large parts of the population (and the Republican party) has to decline.

And from experience with them in universities, they are very good on tests and about theory, but they usually struggle in front of practical issues, due to the nature of their education system.

PISA tests (or, at least, intends to test; of course, every test tend to be more about theory than practice) ability to use knowledge in practice. The other survey, TIMSS, better measures theoretical knowledge, and there are countries whose students perform very good in TIMSS and not so good in PISA (Russia and to lesser extent other post-socialist Eastern European countries); but Chinese and other East Asian pupils lead in both PISA and TIMSS.