SENATE BILL: Demilitarization Act of 2014 (Redraft Law'd)

[Cincinnatus]

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Status: 24 hours to object.

[Cincinnatus]

The amendment has been adopted.

[TNF]

I'm ready for a final vote, if everyone else is.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'm still not sure about eliminating JROTC. A lot of kids find it valuable in terms of learning teamwork, skills and self-confidence even if they never join the military.  There could be other programs that are just as effective but I don't know how available they are, especially when there is so much pressure on the schools to put their resources into a more classroom based curriculum.

[Lumine]

I don't see myself voting for this even with further amendments, I must say.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

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[TNF]

Amendment is friendly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object.


In some cases the television advertisements have failed. In fact, I recall a discussion once in my marketing class about how The Army of One campaign was an abysmal failure.

[TNF]

Senators have 24 hours to object.


In some cases the television advertisements have failed. In fact, I recall a discussion once in my marketing class about how The Army of One campaign was an abysmal failure.

Great. Let's eliminate the potential for failure entirely.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I'd be OK with someone sending me to the front lines at this point in my life, al la Alexander the Great. Anything that doesn't involve studying for the bar

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has passed.


On the flip side though, recruitment is important and they have to have some means to attract it. I am still opposed to clause 1 and also 4 since we still have conscription and would need some way to utilize it in the emergencies that it is limited to. We could change or alter the system though and I would be open to supporting that.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I'm not sure if we're just on different wavelengths here, Sen. Yankee, but why would we need recruitment during emergencies if we have conscription?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm not sure if we're just on different wavelengths here, Sen. Yankee, but why would we need recruitment during emergencies if we have conscription?

Section 4 abolishes the the selective service process. We either need to replace that or keep it sicne we still have the draft in cases of emergencies (tied to a rather high Senate threshold I would add).

I see now that it kind of got merged together with the thoughts on Clause 1.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah Alfred?

Anybody?

We could bring this to a vote if there are no other desired amendments.

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[bore]

So, Section 4 basically abolishes conscription, de facto if not de jure? Is that what you're getting at Yankee?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So, Section 4 basically abolishes conscription, de facto if not de jure? Is that what you're getting at Yankee?

Basically.

I also don't see a problem with having recruiters at high schools. We regulate the content, we own the damn military. If they are misleading people, then we can change it by statute, you know civilian control and all that. If people don't want it, they can simply keep on walking past that booth and clause 2 would protect their desire to "not walk over".

 If anything driving down elistments, could very well necessitate a peace time draft and I rather prefer it be maintain voluntary (play it out, second and tertiary order of events).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So go wtih the final vote?

[bore]

Fine, then, I'll offer an amendment:

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Regardless of what you think of conscription it doesn't make sense to deal with such a large bill in what should be quite a small bill. It's like adding a section to the Save our Sharks bill banning all nuclear energy. 

[CLARENCE 2015!]

I'll just be frank........

Even by the standards of some of the nuts on here- this is the dumbest piece of legislation I've seen proposed on here (barring the ones that are clearly jokes....)

And some of the language used here has been downright offensive- I'm looking at you,Adam Griffin....comparing military recruiters to rapists is a comment I would have thought was beneath you. I am disappointed

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I must say several times throughout this bill especailly I have missed "Senator" Clarence.


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[TNF]

Amendment is friendly.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Really, TNF? I'm not that big a fan of conscription, and I know you aren't either. I say we just abolish the whole thing.

Iobject to the amendment, if that is permitted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Status: Objection filed by Senator Alfred, A vote is now open. Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Aye.

[President Tyrion]

Nay