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« on: June 08, 2014, 09:10:33 PM »

Inspired by this thread title.
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2014, 09:12:08 PM »

Depends on the context?
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2014, 09:12:47 PM »


Depends on the context.
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2014, 09:13:35 PM »


Depends on the context!
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2014, 09:26:36 PM »

Female is only a noun for biologists.
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2014, 10:19:14 PM »

Woman. At least for humans and our civilizations, its much more comfortable, and as Alfred said, the word female is usually for biological identifications.

On a side note, if you think about it, both female and woman stem from male and man. wo is added to man, and fe is added to male.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2014, 11:17:45 PM »


Depends on the context‽
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2014, 11:25:02 PM »

Woman. At least for humans and our civilizations, its much more comfortable, and as Alfred said, the word female is usually for biological identifications.

On a side note, if you think about it, both female and woman stem from male and man. wo is added to man, and fe is added to male.
IIRC originally there was a seperate adjective for man in old English being something like "wereman" and it was eventually dropped to become simply man.
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2014, 11:26:58 PM »

On a side note, if you think about it, both female and woman stem from male and man. wo is added to man, and fe is added to male.

Old English used wifmann for female human and wer for male human, and the gender-neutral term mann was used for person. After the Norman Conquest, mann was used more and displaced wer, while wifmann changed to woman - that's also where we get wife from.

Anyways, 'female preachers' sounds more formal than 'woman preachers' for whatever reason.
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2014, 05:13:44 AM »

Isn't man/woman a noun and male/female an adjective?
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2014, 06:28:45 AM »

While using English, depends on the context.

In Polish, pretty much just "woman", since the other term would sound silly.
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2014, 07:25:16 AM »

I prefer using woman, partly due to the influence of my native language, where like in Polish using the equivalent of female would be silly, if not vaguely insulting.
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 07:56:33 AM »

I prefer using woman, partly due to the influence of my native language, where like in Polish using the equivalent of female would be silly, if not vaguely insulting.

I do it the same way, as it's similar in German.
Plus, female (weiblich) derives from the old word for woman (Weib) which has turned into an insult.
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2014, 08:25:02 AM »

Honey or Sweetie  (Joe Biden normal)
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2014, 08:29:23 AM »
« Edited: June 09, 2014, 08:34:52 AM by politicus »

I prefer using woman, partly due to the influence of my native language, where like in Polish using the equivalent of female would be silly, if not vaguely insulting.

I do it the same way, as it's similar in German.
Plus, female (weiblich) derives from the old word for woman (Weib) which has turned into an insult.

How did that happen?

On a related note I have heard that Kinder is considered old fashioned and that its now normally die Kiddies or die Kids. Is that true? (it sounds bizarre, but you never know)
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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2014, 09:39:38 AM »

I usually say woman or lady.  I use the term lady for females of any age even young children all the way up to 90-somethings.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2014, 10:14:56 AM »

Depends ...
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2014, 11:41:51 AM »

Isn't man/woman a noun and male/female an adjective?

Yes, at least in my usage. I never use the word "woman" as a adjective, and it's actually my biggest grammar pet peeve when people do that.

On a side note, if you think about it, both female and woman stem from male and man. wo is added to man, and fe is added to male.

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2014, 12:54:31 PM »

Honey or Sweetie  (Joe Biden normal)
Or Sugartits?
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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2014, 01:01:57 PM »


After a few martinis, maybe.   Wink
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2014, 01:14:20 PM »

Yes.
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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2014, 01:21:34 PM »

Female is an adjective. Woman is a noun. There are few things in the world as low class as referring to "a female." Neck tattoos are also up there.
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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2014, 01:34:30 PM »

I prefer using woman, partly due to the influence of my native language, where like in Polish using the equivalent of female would be silly, if not vaguely insulting.

I do it the same way, as it's similar in German.
Plus, female (weiblich) derives from the old word for woman (Weib) which has turned into an insult.

How did that happen?

Not an insult, really, more a very low register.
And it happened because it was replaced as the common term of address by "Frau", of course. Which once meant, approximately, "mylady". (And is a feminine form of an extinct word Fro that was even more exclusive a term of address, limited to kings and the old Germanic gods.) It was a very gradual process, commented on as early as ca.1200 (wîp dêst ein name ders alle krœnet, Walther) and not complete until 5 centuries later or so and even then, Weib has not been driven out of circulation entirely. (But eh. We still have strong verbs ca. 2000 to 2500 years after we changed the way we form new verbs.)

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Uh... depends on the context.

On a side note, if you think about it, both female and woman stem from male and man. wo is added to man, and fe is added to male.
Female is not etymologically connected to male. It is to etymologically connected to fertile and fecund, though. Grin
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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2014, 02:40:41 PM »
« Edited: June 09, 2014, 02:58:43 PM by politicus »

I prefer using woman, partly due to the influence of my native language, where like in Polish using the equivalent of female would be silly, if not vaguely insulting.

I do it the same way, as it's similar in German.
Plus, female (weiblich) derives from the old word for woman (Weib) which has turned into an insult.

How did that happen?

Not an insult, really, more a very low register.
And it happened because it was replaced as the common term of address by "Frau", of course. Which once meant, approximately, "mylady". (And is a feminine form of an extinct word Fro that was even more exclusive a term of address, limited to kings and the old Germanic gods.) It was a very gradual process, commented on as early as ca.1200 (wîp dêst ein name ders alle krœnet, Walther) and not complete until 5 centuries later or so and even then, Weib has not been driven out of circulation entirely. (But eh. We still have strong verbs ca. 2000 to 2500 years after we changed the way we form new verbs.)



Well, we still have kvinde/kvinne/kvinna in the Nordic languages despite frue making a similar downwards "class journey" and becoming the standard form of addressing a married woman (prior to the 60s), and that's a neutral word devoid of negative connotations or low register status, so that process alone shouldn't have marginalized Weib.
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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2014, 02:53:28 PM »

I usually say woman or lady.  I use the term lady for females of any age even young children all the way up to 90-somethings.

M'lady.
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