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« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2014, 05:53:58 PM »

How likely is it that Obsma can steal Iran from Putin's orbit?

Obama and Osama's secret lovechild?
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« Reply #76 on: June 16, 2014, 07:54:22 PM »

How likely is it that Obsma can steal Iran from Putin's orbit?

Obama and Osama's secret lovechild?


Didn't you realize yet, they are clearly one and the same. This is how he is able to be a muslim and a radical black liberation christian at the same time.
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« Reply #77 on: June 16, 2014, 07:54:42 PM »

How likely is it that Obsma can steal Iran from Putin's orbit?

That's pretty much my dream scenario. An epic U.S. realignment towards the Shiite bloc while the Saudis pound sand. It would be the biggest coup since Nixon '72.
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« Reply #78 on: June 16, 2014, 08:00:29 PM »

Credit for this mess goes to the United States, due to entering in first place back in 2003.
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« Reply #79 on: June 16, 2014, 08:56:35 PM »

Credit for this mess goes to the United States, due to entering in first place back in 2003.
We should have mediated a population exchange were the Shia went to Syria and the Sunni went to Iraq. That would have ended ISIS before it started.
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« Reply #80 on: June 16, 2014, 09:33:50 PM »

Credit for this mess goes to the United States, due to entering in first place back in 2003.
We should have mediated a population exchange were the Shia went to Syria and the Sunni went to Iraq. That would have ended ISIS before it started.

Religious population exchanges have such a great track record.
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« Reply #81 on: June 16, 2014, 11:45:11 PM »

Credit for this mess goes to the United States, due to entering in first place back in 2003.
We should have mediated a population exchange were the Shia went to Syria and the Sunni went to Iraq. That would have ended ISIS before it started.
That's actually quite possibly the only scenario where Iraq (and the Middle East as a whole) would end up worse off than after the Third Gulf War.
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« Reply #82 on: June 17, 2014, 12:22:58 AM »

Credit for this mess goes to the United States, due to entering in first place back in 2003.
We should have mediated a population exchange were the Shia went to Syria and the Sunni went to Iraq. That would have ended ISIS before it started.
That's actually quite possibly the only scenario where Iraq (and the Middle East as a whole) would end up worse off than after the Third Gulf War.

It's a wonder that the Bush administration only picked the second worst possible solution.
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« Reply #83 on: June 18, 2014, 02:41:24 PM »

Exxon has evacuated.
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« Reply #84 on: June 18, 2014, 04:23:43 PM »

What are the current odds that Baghdad will fall?
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« Reply #85 on: June 18, 2014, 04:27:19 PM »

Clearly an Iraq overrun by Islamists and Iranian puppets is so much better than Saddam's Iraq.

This is just the punctuation on the evidence that the foreign policy of George W. Bush, neoconservatism and the Republican Party was and still is a miserable failure of a pipe dream.

Anyone else you'd like to throw in? Condi Rice? Brent Scowcroft? Barney the Dog? Roll Eyes

IIRC Brent Scowcroft was not a fan of Bush 43 policy regarding Iran.

Try again.
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« Reply #86 on: June 18, 2014, 04:29:56 PM »

So, it's either an organization worse than Al-Qaeda or Iran?

Iraq was indeed made safe for democracy Roll Eyes
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« Reply #87 on: June 18, 2014, 06:18:21 PM »

What are the current odds that Baghdad will fall?

Zero.

Or rather, if it "falls", it would be to Shiite militias rather than ISIS.
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« Reply #88 on: June 18, 2014, 08:30:38 PM »

Credit for this mess goes to the United States, due to entering in first place back in 2003.

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« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2014, 05:16:46 AM »

All the neocons coming out of the woodwork makes my blood rage. It's time to sent every single last one of them to prison for grand treason.
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« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2014, 01:17:51 AM »

The judge who sentenced Saddam Hussein to death has been captured and killed.
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« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2014, 01:32:58 AM »

Ehh I'll wait for confirmation that one other than a poorly-designed right-wing website.
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« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2014, 05:45:24 PM »

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« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2014, 05:58:50 PM »


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Well, that's ironic.
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« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2014, 06:05:01 PM »

Wasn't Saddam tried by a panel of judges? I don't remember only one judge, but I was only 10 at the time so I may very well be mistaken.

I haven't heard any other sources confirming this.
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« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2014, 06:14:01 PM »

It appears that Ba'ath loyalists are playing as important role as the Islamists.
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« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2014, 06:40:44 PM »

Credit for this mess goes to the United States, due to entering in first place back in 2003.
We should have mediated a population exchange were the Shia went to Syria and the Sunni went to Iraq. That would have ended ISIS before it started.

You really don't...get the demographic geography of the Middle East, do you?
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« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2014, 07:33:47 PM »

It appears that Ba'ath loyalists are playing as important role as the Islamists.

Of course.  The way Malaki has treated them, I don't blame them too much for thinking that ISIL is the lesser of the two evils.  I don't know why Kerry stopped over there just to have a meaningless photo-op.  It is impossible for there to be a unity government with Malaki involved. The Sunnis would never believe Malaki would not revert to form once the crisis was over.  There will be no chance of a unity government until Malaki is out of power, either because of a coup, or because the insurgents take Baghdad. (Which I doubt will happen.)
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« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2014, 11:29:44 PM »

Credit for this mess goes to the United States, due to entering in first place back in 2003.
We should have mediated a population exchange were the Shia went to Syria and the Sunni went to Iraq. That would have ended ISIS before it started.

You really don't...get the demographic geography of the Middle East, do you?
While Syria is mostly Sunni and Iraq mostly Shia, their respective minorities hold the critical, nation controlling parts of the countries. The Alawites control the coasts which controls food, meaning they can starve the Sunni majority if they retaliate. The Sunnis in Iraq control the desert and, just as the Mamlukes and Ottomans did before them, can overrun southern Iraq.
While majoritarianism makes sense at first blush, looking deeper reveals the truth about Iraq and Syria.
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« Reply #99 on: June 24, 2014, 11:12:12 AM »

Of course.  The way Malaki has treated them, I don't blame them too much for thinking that ISIL is the lesser of the two evils.

I can - they should be smart enough to know better.
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