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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
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« on: June 15, 2014, 10:24:58 PM »

There is no - and can be no - definition of 'life' from the vantage-point of life whatsoever: the twilit, purgatorial status of the virus demonstrates as much.
Hello, Nihilist Strawman.

Erm, well actually he's right, at least from a purely scientific standpoint. Science can tell us things about biological processes, atoms, molecules, and chemical reactions, but it cannot in any rigorous way determine by itself a standard for the definition of a life. Science, can, if given a definition of a life externally, apply it. But it cannot create a definition by itself.

Science has taken some set of criteria to distinguish things that are alive from things that are not, viruses being the only ambiguity. And from this definition embryos are clearly alive. Eggs are alive, sperm are alive, skin cells are alive, etc. But the criteria were determined arbitrarily rather than empirically and are not in and of themselves a result of science, only a definition to categorize empirical observations of organic matter. Furthermore, if we take the generally accepted definition of "alive", which virtually everyone does except with the ambiguity of viruses, the missing step pertinent here is that science is not capable of defining what constitutes a singular instance of life.

My personal view is that the life of a living thing begins at the point when its beginnings can be traced furthest back to and still remain a distinguishable entity, that is for humans, at fertilization.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2014, 10:38:27 PM »

Viruses are not the only ambiguity. Virions, prions, single-celled amoeba, and certain fungi all share traits with both living and inert matter.

Obviously, semen, eggs, etc. are 'more alive' than these. But to imbue these, and the human versions of them alone, with magic traits is arbitrary.

What about imbuing humans in general with "magic traits" like placing a much higher value on their lives than would be expected for a randomly sampled hunk of matter about the same size? Is it just the sperm, eggs, embryo, etc. that in your view should not be placed on a pedestal or is it the human organism in general?
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