should hillary pick rick santorum for vp?
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« on: June 16, 2014, 10:53:10 AM »

pros:
- brings in conservative support to the ticket
- from an important swing-state
- helps with catholics and working-class voters
- extensive legislative experience
- soothing midwesterner

cons:
- lost to a bald guy by 75 points
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2014, 12:02:54 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2014, 06:46:25 PM »

No. It would alienate Democrats even more-a Green Party ticket could rise up.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2014, 06:56:40 PM »

No. It would alienate Democrats even more-a Green Party ticket could rise up.

wow....this thread went right over you head didn't it?
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2014, 07:18:41 PM »

A dream ticket, if there ever was one.  Do it.
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2014, 08:04:08 PM »

I have dreams about this ticket. 



Clinton/Santorum:  538 Electoral Votes, 70% Popular Vote
Romney/Ryan:  0 Electoral Votes, 30% Popular Vote
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2014, 08:04:19 PM »

pros:
- brings in conservative support to the ticket
- from an important swing-state
- helps with catholics and working-class voters
- extensive legislative experience
- soothing midwesterner

cons:
- lost to a bald guy by 75 points
Don't forget that he also wears sweater vests in a way that is appealing to swing voters.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2014, 08:06:52 PM »

Hillary could win almost all southern states if this actually happened.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2014, 08:10:45 PM »

Hillary could win almost all southern states if this actually happened.
She would probably end up winning every state but Utah if she picked Rick Santorum as her running-mate actually.
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2014, 08:12:20 PM »
« Edited: June 16, 2014, 08:14:18 PM by OC »

It will never happen Santorum ran against Obamacare and elected during Gingrich era against Hillarycare. So, he should go away. Sherrod Brown is my veep pick. And she almost certainly will win Pa anyways.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2014, 08:26:59 PM »

It will never happen Santorum ran against Obamacare and elected during Gingrich era against Hillarycare. So, he should go away. Sherrod Brown is my veep pick. And she almost certainly will win Pa anyways.

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2014, 09:30:10 PM »
« Edited: June 19, 2014, 09:34:31 PM by Wulfric »

It's unclear exactly how much a VP actually helps - Paul Ryan didn't really help anywhere, not even in WI. Looking back further in history doesn't give us much. Dan Quayle may have slightly helped Bush in the midwest in 1988, but take out his effect and I don't see the electoral map changing very much, if at all. Ferraro didn't help Mondale in NY or NJ in 1984.

If Santorum did help, he would help more in some parts in the south than in others (depending on evangelical turnout). He would also help in CO, where Hillary has some trouble but Santorum could turn out the evangelical vote for the ticket to pull them out there with some comfort, and would provide similar antidotes to any troubles Hillary has in MN, IA, and NV. However, in the north and on the west coast, he would probably hurt Clinton among democrats and independents due to his extreme positions, but he would be able to draw enough republican votes to keep the republican ticket from making huge inroads there. A map for this race, with Santorum actually affecting the ticket as just described, would look something like this:



Clinton/Santorum - 448
Generic Republican Ticket - 90

In the end, Santorum can't find enough crossover votes to get HC winning across the entire south, but he does make her very competitive and allows her to pull off impressive wins in places like TX and MS. Unfortunately, there simply aren't enough evangelicals in AZ or MT to get Hilllary over the top there. However, in NH, OR, and ME-02, the republican base is just too moderate, and there are enough democrats casting a vote against the ticket as a vote against Santorum, that HC just can't quite make it.

But, still, a stunning victory in the electoral college, with about 63% of the popular vote nationwide.


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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2014, 09:52:26 PM »

Yes.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2014, 09:58:37 PM »

Hillary/Santorum vs. Bachmann/Warren

Discuss with maps.
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2014, 10:05:59 PM »

Santorum lost to a BALD GUY.



BALD.



Absolutely not.
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